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College Football 19-20: Where We Kinda Want Clemson As Champion.

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MichVandal said:
Either way, he thinks OSU does not deserve to be there- which wasn't their fault at all. The B1G laid down the COVID protocol, one that was likely more stringent than the ACC's. OSU didn't take that well.

Maybe his team even believe him, based on how they are playing.
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I have no idea the protocol difference between the B1G and the ACC. Clemson did lose a game due to Covid protocol.

I don't believe Clemson playing like garbage had anything to do with Dabo's vote. Dabo stated he did not believe OSU was actually the 11th best team. Every player interview that I read that discussed it said basically the same thing. It's not like the Clemson secondary decided to stop covering people in the second half down 2-3 touchdowns because they thought they were better than Ohio State. I just think the whole "Dabo's vote played an impact" storyline is overplayed and didn't really have much of an impact on the game. Generally speaking, "bulletin board" material really only impacts preparation for the team with the perceived slight. It's not like it was on Clemson's bulletin board, where they were giddy to be so fortunate to be playing the "11th best team."
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I have no idea the protocol difference between the B1G and the ACC. Clemson did lose a game due to Covid protocol.

I don't believe Clemson playing like garbage had anything to do with Dabo's vote. Dabo stated he did not believe OSU was actually the 11th best team. Every player interview that I read that discussed it said basically the same thing. It's not like the Clemson secondary decided to stop covering people in the second half down 2-3 touchdowns because they thought they were better than Ohio State. I just think the whole "Dabo's vote played an impact" storyline is overplayed and didn't really have much of an impact on the game. Generally speaking, "bulletin board" material really only impacts preparation for the team with the perceived slight. It's not like it was on Clemson's bulletin board, where they were giddy to be so fortunate to be playing the "11th best team."
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Well, there is a reason they are playing like that. Be it they don't think OSU belongs there or something else, nobody will really know. They don't even know.

But it's still possible that it's in the back of their minds that their head coach thought OSU does not deserve to be there.
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Interesting. What was the difference between the B1G's protocols and the ACC's?
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The key one was how many days you had to sit out if you tested positive. It was the most of any conference. So, that would affect the strength of your team as well as reduce the number of players on your squad, which would cause cancelletions of games quicker than other conferences.
 
MichVandal said:
Well, there is a reason they are playing like that. Be it they don't think OSU belongs there or something else, nobody will really know. They don't even know.

But it's still possible that it's in the back of their minds that their head coach thought OSU does not deserve to be there.
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I'm not ruling it out as a possibility. However, based on what I read and how the entirety of this game has played out, I really don't think it did. One would think if Clemson did think that OSU did not belong (which given the fact that they played last year, and OSU largely outplayed Clemson, is unlikely to begin with), that OSU would have gotten a hot start that surprised Clemson. That didn't happen. Clemson started out okay, leading 14-7 early on. Ohio State then just kept bludgeoning Clemson and started to make stops to gather the lead in the second quarter. Ohio State continued this in the second half. If anything, Clemson's play was best early on, and has faded as the game progressed. Generally speaking, that isn't what happens when a team underestimates another team. But I agree, anything is possible.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
The key one was how many days you had to sit out if you tested positive. It was the most of any conference. So, that would affect the strength of your team as well as reduce the number of players on your squad, which would cause cancelletions of games quicker than other conferences.
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What was the difference in days? I know Lawrence missed a few games after testing positive.

Also, is that the protocol they changed just prior to the playoff?
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
What was the difference in days? I know Lawrence missed a few games after testing positive.

Also, is that the protocol they changed just prior to the playoff?
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It was a few days. But any longer time can cause more "overlaps" that increases the number of ineligible players.

Yes, that is the one they changed.

I also got the impression that the B1G was more willing to cancel games than the ACC. But that could just be an impression.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
It was a few days. But any longer time can cause more "overlaps" that increases the number of ineligible players.

Yes, that is the one they changed.

I also got the impression that the B1G was more willing to cancel games than the ACC. But that could just be an impression.
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Yeah, it certainly seemed like the B1G had more games cancelled/more players out than the ACC. Not that that is terribly surprising. The B1G was obviously more cautious about starting the season. It would make sense that they took more precautions during the season than the other conferences that started, roughly, on normal time.
 
Well, kudos to Ohio State. They were definitely the superior team tonight. Hopefully, the Buckeyes have better success in the title game than Clemson did last year.

For the Tigers, embarrassing and disappointing end to the season. The cupboards are not bare, but they will need to replace some key weapons on offense, and their defense will need to make some big leaps next season.
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Dabo voting them 11th has absolutely nothing to do with Clemson playing like garbage. Dabo also stated that he didn't believe OSU was actually the 11th best team, but rather that a team that only played 6 games shouldn't be voted as a Top 10 team.

ETA: I do agree with you that it probably was a misstep. It didn't help his team at all, and it may have motivated OSU in practice a bit more (may also motivate OSU to run up the score).
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You & the others who have commented have this figured out. Definitely a misstep, but a minor factor at most.

The Buckeyes were the more motivated team last night. But the key factor was an intense desire to reverse the result of last year's playoff game.


This may be of interest:
https://www.dispatch.com/story/footb...dy/4086450001/
 
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Kepler said:
Then how did the hoops power conferences screw up and lose control?

Was it simply a matter that in hoops the money didn't show up until 1979 and the NC$$ was positioned to control it, whereas in football the fix was already in long before so the P5 controlled the money from the start?
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Like MichVandal said, the Big East didn't care about football and died.

The NCAA decided to expand the BB tourney becoming the bigger tournament over the NIT. They controlled the growth of its basketball tournament and the profits. It did not create the Bowl games so the profits stayed with the creators and the conferences that opted in.
 
French Rage said:
Sark going to Texas is going to implode wonderfully at some point over the next 2-3 years.
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He went from safe to fired following a win in a bowl game. His buyout amount and the staff’s is still enough that I can’t think it was something contractual to wait until the new year. A few boosters must not be happy.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
He went from safe to fired following a win in a bowl game. His buyout amount and the staff’s is still enough that I can’t think it was something contractual to wait until the new year. A few boosters must not be happy.
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I'm convinced it was Iowa State who got him fired. How can any blue chip program allow themselves to keep their head coach if ISU finishes ahead of them?
 
Bronco said:
The NCAA decided to expand the BB tourney becoming the bigger tournament over the NIT. They controlled the growth of its basketball tournament and the profits. It did not create the Bowl games so the profits stayed with the creators and the conferences that opted in.
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So you contend the Bowl games made the power conferences big and not the other way round?

That is interesting and I never thought about it that way.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Texas hasn't been a blue chip program for over a decade though.
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Exactly. Since Texas' appearance in the BCS National Championship Game in 2009 (11 seasons), they've finished in the Top 25 only 4 times, and in the Top 10 only once (9th in 2018). Their collective record is 78-60 (an average of a 7-5 or 7-6 season), and their best season was a 10-4 campaign in 2018 (with a Sugar Bowl win against Georgia). That was their only 10-win season in this span. 6 of the seasons they finished with 7 or fewer wins, including 4 losing seasons. 0 National Championships, 0 Playoff Appearances, 0 Conference Championships, 0 Conference Division Championships, and 1 Top 15 season in an 11 season span does not equate to a blue chip program.
 
OSU reportedly dealing with Covid issues that could leave them without an entire position group.

However, they're still planning to play on the original date of Monday.
 
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