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Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
If they did an international tour within the last four years, then it must be team cohesion related.
If they did an international tour within the last four years, then it must be team cohesion related.
ColSkate65
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Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
This is a good thing. Team definitely needs time to bond and regroup after the loss of Spiro, Baun and the other great seniors. Good for getting the frosh on board too. Hopefully the final result of this will be adding some W's to the record next season.
(Whoops. Are frosh eligible to take this trip?)
This is a good thing. Team definitely needs time to bond and regroup after the loss of Spiro, Baun and the other great seniors. Good for getting the frosh on board too. Hopefully the final result of this will be adding some W's to the record next season.
(Whoops. Are frosh eligible to take this trip?)
'Gate Radio
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Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
As per NCAA bylaws, teams are allowed a foreign tour every four years. It's a little more common in basketball.
Freshmen aren't eligible because the trip will take place before they're actually in school . Per Coach Vaughan's comments at the end of season banquet, I believe the seniors from last year will be on the trip too. However no Kyle Baun for obvious reasons.
This is a good thing. Team definitely needs time to bond and regroup after the loss of Spiro, Baun and the other great seniors. Good for getting the frosh on board too. Hopefully the final result of this will be adding some W's to the record next season.
(Whoops. Are frosh eligible to take this trip?)
As per NCAA bylaws, teams are allowed a foreign tour every four years. It's a little more common in basketball.
Freshmen aren't eligible because the trip will take place before they're actually in school . Per Coach Vaughan's comments at the end of season banquet, I believe the seniors from last year will be on the trip too. However no Kyle Baun for obvious reasons.
Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
Ryan Johnston just signed with Montreal! This season is getting worse and worse. Don't get me wrong I am excited that we have two guys going to the pros but it makes our season even tougher. I always thought he was our best pick handler (offensive or defensive) so now we have lost a key offensive player and possibly our best defenseman. Just hoping for a NCAA bid but it gets tougher to believe
Ryan Johnston just signed with Montreal! This season is getting worse and worse. Don't get me wrong I am excited that we have two guys going to the pros but it makes our season even tougher. I always thought he was our best pick handler (offensive or defensive) so now we have lost a key offensive player and possibly our best defenseman. Just hoping for a NCAA bid but it gets tougher to believe
ColSkate65
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Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
Loss of Johnston is a huge hit. Can't believe this is happening :-(
Guess he won't be on the foreign tour either.
Loss of Johnston is a huge hit. Can't believe this is happening :-(
Guess he won't be on the foreign tour either.
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
To be fair, having a signee gives more exposure to the university. As much as we want to see success for our respective clubs, we must still remember that we are a "junior-esque" league, and are a stepping stone for our players' ultimate goal of reaching the highest level of professional hockey, the NHL. Sure, the success of Johnston will be missed, but kids are likely to know more about the university based upon this success, and will start eyeing it more as a place to not only play their college level game, but to also receive a great education.
To be fair, having a signee gives more exposure to the university. As much as we want to see success for our respective clubs, we must still remember that we are a "junior-esque" league, and are a stepping stone for our players' ultimate goal of reaching the highest level of professional hockey, the NHL. Sure, the success of Johnston will be missed, but kids are likely to know more about the university based upon this success, and will start eyeing it more as a place to not only play their college level game, but to also receive a great education.
ColSkate65
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Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
And just how are we going to make the NCAAs, to say nothing of the Frozen Four, with this philosophy? There are plenty of alums out there who will be giving second thoughts to supporting a 'Gate program that serves only as the minor league for the NHL. What reaction do you expect from this news on the part of all 'Gate hockey fans?? This trend we've seen lately only undermines 'Gate hockey by snipping off the most talented players thus preventing us from having the kind of success the 1990 team had...or even last year's team that reached LP. We should be in the business of building a model program that has success on its own level, not taking in recruits who waffle on whether they are going to stay for four years or jump ship. Perhaps we are no longer looking for the student-athletes who are committed to Colgate, but are seeing us as a stepping stone (as FLAG said). I, for one, can't accept this. Yes, it's great to have talent, and have a far superior team than others in the ECAC. But what's the point if we are taking the talent then losing it after 1-2 years? We're spinning our wheels and getting nowhere IMHO. I'll get off my soapbox now, but I'm steamed! And very depressed...and we haven't even played our first game
And just how are we going to make the NCAAs, to say nothing of the Frozen Four, with this philosophy? There are plenty of alums out there who will be giving second thoughts to supporting a 'Gate program that serves only as the minor league for the NHL. What reaction do you expect from this news on the part of all 'Gate hockey fans?? This trend we've seen lately only undermines 'Gate hockey by snipping off the most talented players thus preventing us from having the kind of success the 1990 team had...or even last year's team that reached LP. We should be in the business of building a model program that has success on its own level, not taking in recruits who waffle on whether they are going to stay for four years or jump ship. Perhaps we are no longer looking for the student-athletes who are committed to Colgate, but are seeing us as a stepping stone (as FLAG said). I, for one, can't accept this. Yes, it's great to have talent, and have a far superior team than others in the ECAC. But what's the point if we are taking the talent then losing it after 1-2 years? We're spinning our wheels and getting nowhere IMHO. I'll get off my soapbox now, but I'm steamed! And very depressed...and we haven't even played our first game
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Amen Colskate, with you 100 per cent. All we ever get is bad news, the new rink is good news, how long we wait for that, twenty years ? I can't blame any player for leaving based upon one big hit and his career could be over. We get so few "impact" players with our academic standards and no crowds etc and it seems now if we get one they're gone before finishing school. I am very bummed, and the lack of home games, I'm afraid to ask what else can happen to us ? Last year it was injuries that doomed us, I'm very frustrated.
Amen Colskate, with you 100 per cent. All we ever get is bad news, the new rink is good news, how long we wait for that, twenty years ? I can't blame any player for leaving based upon one big hit and his career could be over. We get so few "impact" players with our academic standards and no crowds etc and it seems now if we get one they're gone before finishing school. I am very bummed, and the lack of home games, I'm afraid to ask what else can happen to us ? Last year it was injuries that doomed us, I'm very frustrated.
Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
I don't know what anyone else thinks but if you read vaughn's comments about the Johnston departure, he wasn't happy and he is still looking for four year kids. "He believes he is ready for the next step..." That tells me he isn't happy.
But let's face it, we will go as far as Finn so there is still hope
I don't know what anyone else thinks but if you read vaughn's comments about the Johnston departure, he wasn't happy and he is still looking for four year kids. "He believes he is ready for the next step..." That tells me he isn't happy.
But let's face it, we will go as far as Finn so there is still hope
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'Gate Radio
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Plenty of ECAC schools have been hit by the early departure bug and their fans continue to support the programs. How do you think RPI fans felt when both Brandon Pirri AND Jerry D'Amigo left after one season or when more recently Ryan Haggerty bolted for the Rangers with one year left? Or Union, for the pre-graduation losses of a multitude of players including several All-American caliber goalies as well as future NHL'er Josh Jooris. And remember Shayne Gostisbehere had a year left when he signed with the Flyers. Cornell really could have used Brian Ferlin last year, and the list goes on and on.
Players leaving school early is just part of the current climate and it has been that way for more than the last several years. When you have a successful program that has very good players, this is one of the downsides.
In this current case, you have an NDFA coming off what appears to be a fantastic showing in a summer development camp. Said NDFA scored two goals in the final camp scrimmage and impressed the club brass enough to earn a two-way NHL/AHL deal for two years. Should the player have returned to school, he would have been guaranteed nothing and may not have had a similar chance come March.
While the short-term loss stings based on the timing, in the long run, it speaks well of the program that it produces NHL/AHL caliber talent. Just in the last eight years alone, Colgate fans have seen Mark Dekanich, Jesse Winchester, Chris Wagner and Kyle Baun all make their NHL debuts. And before that, Andy McDonald was winning a Stanley Cup with Anaheim.
Plenty of ECAC schools have been hit by the early departure bug and their fans continue to support the programs. How do you think RPI fans felt when both Brandon Pirri AND Jerry D'Amigo left after one season or when more recently Ryan Haggerty bolted for the Rangers with one year left? Or Union, for the pre-graduation losses of a multitude of players including several All-American caliber goalies as well as future NHL'er Josh Jooris. And remember Shayne Gostisbehere had a year left when he signed with the Flyers. Cornell really could have used Brian Ferlin last year, and the list goes on and on.
Players leaving school early is just part of the current climate and it has been that way for more than the last several years. When you have a successful program that has very good players, this is one of the downsides.
In this current case, you have an NDFA coming off what appears to be a fantastic showing in a summer development camp. Said NDFA scored two goals in the final camp scrimmage and impressed the club brass enough to earn a two-way NHL/AHL deal for two years. Should the player have returned to school, he would have been guaranteed nothing and may not have had a similar chance come March.
While the short-term loss stings based on the timing, in the long run, it speaks well of the program that it produces NHL/AHL caliber talent. Just in the last eight years alone, Colgate fans have seen Mark Dekanich, Jesse Winchester, Chris Wagner and Kyle Baun all make their NHL debuts. And before that, Andy McDonald was winning a Stanley Cup with Anaheim.
Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
I am really disappointed in Ryan. IMO, Ryan's departure is a slap-in-the-face to the Coaches on many levels and it is too late to get someone to fill his position. I still believe we will be a great team this year - others will step up. I just can't get over the disappointment I feel.
Go 'Gate!!
I am really disappointed in Ryan. IMO, Ryan's departure is a slap-in-the-face to the Coaches on many levels and it is too late to get someone to fill his position. I still believe we will be a great team this year - others will step up. I just can't get over the disappointment I feel.
Go 'Gate!!
Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
Where did you read that ?? Hope you didn't mean Vaughan is ready for the next step ?
Where did you read that ?? Hope you didn't mean Vaughan is ready for the next step ?
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
Doubt it. It's only natural, if you sign a professional contract for the AHL/NHL with college eligibility still on the table, that you believe you're ready for the next step. If he wasn't happy with Colgate, he would have transferred schools (likely with a year in the USHL to keep the skills fresh). Going to Major Junior could go either way with the argument, although leaning more towards the former, especially based upon a family advisor's feelings about the best route to the pros.
Doubt it. It's only natural, if you sign a professional contract for the AHL/NHL with college eligibility still on the table, that you believe you're ready for the next step. If he wasn't happy with Colgate, he would have transferred schools (likely with a year in the USHL to keep the skills fresh). Going to Major Junior could go either way with the argument, although leaning more towards the former, especially based upon a family advisor's feelings about the best route to the pros.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
Don't forget about the local prodigy, Mike Zalewski; he left for the Comets with two years on the table, although I'm sure some posters don't mind.
You make a very good point with the way opportunities present themselves. What if Johnston stayed with Colgate for another year and, heaven forbid, came down with a serious injury? Sure, you got to see him another year, and does have his education as a secondary route (which these players bolting for the pros could finish at any time; heck, Hall of Famer Adam Oates finished his degree over a few summers after leaving early for the pros), but his primary goal of making it to professional hockey, which I'm sure he's worked for his entire life, would have vanished because of the injury.
Don't forget about the local prodigy, Mike Zalewski; he left for the Comets with two years on the table, although I'm sure some posters don't mind.
You make a very good point with the way opportunities present themselves. What if Johnston stayed with Colgate for another year and, heaven forbid, came down with a serious injury? Sure, you got to see him another year, and does have his education as a secondary route (which these players bolting for the pros could finish at any time; heck, Hall of Famer Adam Oates finished his degree over a few summers after leaving early for the pros), but his primary goal of making it to professional hockey, which I'm sure he's worked for his entire life, would have vanished because of the injury.
It was in the press release. It was in reference to Johnston. The way vaughn's quotes read to me was that Vaughn wasn't happy about the departure, but he isn't going to bash him in the media so he'd say that Ryan believes he is ready and we wish him the best and move on
ColSkate65
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Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
Thanks for the above GR, but I don't have to like it. Not to knock our coaches and DV, but you have to wonder what percentage of a player's motivation for moving on - like Johnston's - comes from staff not communicating, initially, the importance of staying the full four years and being loyal to one's school and getting an education. After all, isn't that why our players came to Colgate in the first place: to get a good education, NHL not withstanding? I don't believe all the players that jump go back and get their degrees; show me the stats on that. I guess I feel as CU13 does: bitter disappointment + a big letdown that more bad news is seeping out every day. Finn is great and he can win games for us, but not every game. We need to win almost every game to have a chance in the ECAC and NCAAs, and that takes a full compliment of (good) players. End of sermon.
Thanks for the above GR, but I don't have to like it. Not to knock our coaches and DV, but you have to wonder what percentage of a player's motivation for moving on - like Johnston's - comes from staff not communicating, initially, the importance of staying the full four years and being loyal to one's school and getting an education. After all, isn't that why our players came to Colgate in the first place: to get a good education, NHL not withstanding? I don't believe all the players that jump go back and get their degrees; show me the stats on that. I guess I feel as CU13 does: bitter disappointment + a big letdown that more bad news is seeping out every day. Finn is great and he can win games for us, but not every game. We need to win almost every game to have a chance in the ECAC and NCAAs, and that takes a full compliment of (good) players. End of sermon.
Re: Colgate 2014-2015: Part II
I am going to support our hockey program no matter who leaves early. I have always been so proud that Colgate has enjoyed an almost perfect graduation rate. It speaks to the basic student/athlete premise. Jesse Winchester, Mark Dekanich and Andy McDonald all graduated with their respective classes. To me, it is about commitment. I fully understand the possibility of injury and the $$$ signs in their eyes to sign. Yet they made a four year commitment to Colgate and in Ryan's case, left DV high and dry. Bitterly disappointed.
I am going to support our hockey program no matter who leaves early. I have always been so proud that Colgate has enjoyed an almost perfect graduation rate. It speaks to the basic student/athlete premise. Jesse Winchester, Mark Dekanich and Andy McDonald all graduated with their respective classes. To me, it is about commitment. I fully understand the possibility of injury and the $$$ signs in their eyes to sign. Yet they made a four year commitment to Colgate and in Ryan's case, left DV high and dry. Bitterly disappointed.