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Colgate 2014-15

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Got 6 said:
A consolation game could potentially be the difference for any of the four teams that lose on Friday. It could be the difference between 1 and 3/4 teams in! AND, I am guessing if your team loses on Friday some will go home hurting Satuday attendance! Yet another idiotic move by the ECAC. Our last 2 trips we had to win the consolation game to get in. 2007 we beat Dartmouth and got in. 2010 we tied Princeton and didn't get in but would have with a win. Now supposing Colgate loses on Friday and a win against Harvard or Q could get you in... why wouldn't you play a consolation game??? We may have the last 2 NCAA champs but we are the worst managed league!
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This exact same scenario happened last year. Fortunately we won our semifinal game, but if we had lost to Qpac then won a consolation game, we probably would have gotten in. Just ask last year's Cornell team! Even worse, they had a game against UMass that was cancelled, and if that game had in fact been played with the Big Red winning, they might have gotten into the NCAA's, consy game or not.
 
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Okay, there's a scenario out there where we win on Friday, lose to Q on Saturday, and outside of ECAC Hockey, all the higher seeds win. Additionally, St. Cloud loses the NCHC Consolation game. Colgate would be 16th in the PWR (usually the first team out), and St. Cloud would be 14th, but with an 18-19-1 record. However, because the Huskies would be below .500, they would be out of the tournament, and we would be the last team in.

Winning twice is still the best case scenario. Losing Friday and we're all but certainly out.
 
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Saints#1 said:
I have been messing around with the pairwise predictor and I can't seem to find a way where we can get more than 3 teams into the NCAA tournament! :(
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Yea 3 is the most we can get in I believe and that all depends on Harvard who is a huge factor for Colgate (not sure about you guys) I can't create a scenario even with all the favorites and us losing to Harvard and getting in. I have tried numerous attempts and don't think it's possible. Harvard pulls up Yale into the tourney almost every time if they were to win the ECACs and knocks us out. Closest I could get was us at 16 and Yale at 15 with chalk. We are huge Q fans Friday afternoon.
 
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Rainman said:
Okay, there's a scenario out there where we win on Friday, lose to Q on Saturday, and outside of ECAC Hockey, all the higher seeds win. Additionally, St. Cloud loses the NCHC Consolation game. Colgate would be 16th in the PWR (usually the first team out), and St. Cloud would be 14th, but with an 18-19-1 record. However, because the Huskies would be below .500, they would be out of the tournament, and we would be the last team in.
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I think I am following this, but you lost me at "Q on Saturday", because without a consolation game I don't believe Quinnipiac will be playing that day.
 
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still an empty net said:
Yea 3 is the most we can get in I believe and that all depends on Harvard who is a huge factor for Colgate (not sure about you guys) I can't create a scenario even with all the favorites and us losing to Harvard and getting in. I have tried numerous attempts and don't think it's possible. Harvard pulls up Yale into the tourney almost every time if they were to win the ECACs and knocks us out. Closest I could get was us at 16 and Yale at 15 with chalk. We are huge Q fans Friday afternoon.
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I think it's possible we could only get 1 team in also. Is the PWR rank (and an above.500 win percentage) the only criteria used to determine the NCAA field? If it is we don't even need a selection committee -
except to do the seedings. And that could probably be done off the PWR also. Takes all the fun out of it!!!
 
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DaveH said:
I think it's possible we could only get 1 team in also. Is the PWR rank (and an above.500 win percentage) the only criteria used to determine the NCAA field? If it is we don't even need a selection committee -
except to do the seedings. And that could probably be done off the PWR also. Takes all the fun out of it!!!
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Not officially, but it has (along with autobids) been the only criteria used to select the 16 teams ever. The selection committee really only gets to influence who gets sent where. It's a travestshamockery!
 
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The pairwise does take some of the fun out of the selection show, but at least it is open and honest. A) the teams know the procedure, and it is not based on any human element that could be a factor. I think this helps our league as we don't have the wisconsins, minnesotas, north Dakotas, etc which would probably get a bump if it were factored in. I really do wish that they kept the consy game as it could be a help (but remember it could hurt as well.
 
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The pairwise does take some of the fun out of the selection show, but at least it is open and honest. A) the teams know the procedure, and it is not based on any human element that could be a factor. I think this helps our league as we don't have the wisconsins, minnesotas, north Dakotas, etc which would probably get a bump if it were factored in. I really do wish that they kept the consy game as it could be a help (but remember it could hurt as well.
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IF you win, it would be rare to hurt!
 
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There's a story about the ECAC playoffs on USCHO - in the story they note that Quinny's Sam Anas was hurt on Sunday against Union and he will be re-evaluated to see if he can play Friday. If he can't, and Quinnipiac should lose there's a chance the Bobcats would not make it to the NCAA tournament! 16-3-3 in the conference regular season running away with the regular season and they may not get in! I HATE the PWR - my guess is they use it because they're too **** lazy to put together a competent selection committee so this solves their problem. I understand our league could suffer from that - with thw western league considered stronger. But .... the last 2 national champs came from the ECAC and maybe that should enter the selection committee's mind.
It's possible that whoever wins in Lake Placid could be the only ECAC team in, wouldn't that be a travesty. We have to go back to having the consolation game - there are times (this year being one) where it could make a difference. Plus it sucks for the fans - buy tickets for all 3 games - travel to Lake Placid - then see your team lose Friday. Do you stay or go home? Some will stay, lots will leave. Stupid. These kids live to play hockey; they wouldn't mind playing a consy game.

I've vented and rambled enough. Saw some of the guys getting on the bus for LP late this morning - wished them well for all of us. They look pumped.

GO' GATE!
 
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DaveH said:
I HATE the PWR - my guess is they use it because they're too **** lazy to put together a competent selection committee so this solves their problem. I understand our league could suffer from that - with thw western league considered stronger. But .... the last 2 national champs came from the ECAC and maybe that should enter the selection committee's mind.
It's possible that whoever wins in Lake Placid could be the only ECAC team in, wouldn't that be a travesty. We have to go back to having the consolation game - there are times (this year being one) where it could make a difference. Plus it sucks for the fans - buy tickets for all 3 games - travel to Lake Placid - then see your team lose Friday. Do you stay or go home? Some will stay, lots will leave. Stupid. These kids live to play hockey; they wouldn't mind playing a consy game.
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In general I'd like to see a consolation game as well. It does make it difficult to decide about tickets and hotel if you don't know how long your team will even be there. But you know that second game can hurt teams (for NCAA) too. Harvard and particularly Quinnipiac this year under certain circumstances can afford to lose on game in Lake Placid, but not two.

As I understand and have observed the Pairwise effects, the principle problem for the ECAC teams this year is the out of conference performances. For the Ivy League teams particularly, there is a huge amount of weight hanging on just a few out of conference games, mainly early in the year. Even those who do very well against their ECAC opponents, as Quinnipiac has, still can't compare too strongly vs. stronger teams if their ECAC opponents by and large have not done well. I'm not sure how better to do it. I certainly wouldn't want it to be like the voted poll rankings which seem to have decidedly pro-Western and anti-Ivy biases at times.

Pairwise has me rooting for Colgate Friday evening, something I would otherwise obviously not do!

I think the best approach ECAC teams can take is to schedule against a variety of strong out of conference opponents, and then beat most of them.
 
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DaveH said:
There's a story about the ECAC playoffs on USCHO - in the story they note that Quinny's Sam Anas was hurt on Sunday against Union and he will be re-evaluated to see if he can play Friday. If he can't, and Quinnipiac should lose there's a chance the Bobcats would not make it to the NCAA tournament! 16-3-3 in the conference regular season running away with the regular season and they may not get in! I HATE the PWR - my guess is they use it because they're too **** lazy to put together a competent selection committee so this solves their problem. I understand our league could suffer from that - with thw western league considered stronger. But .... the last 2 national champs came from the ECAC and maybe that should enter the selection committee's mind.
It's possible that whoever wins in Lake Placid could be the only ECAC team in, wouldn't that be a travesty. We have to go back to having the consolation game - there are times (this year being one) where it could make a difference. Plus it sucks for the fans - buy tickets for all 3 games - travel to Lake Placid - then see your team lose Friday. Do you stay or go home? Some will stay, lots will leave. Stupid. These kids live to play hockey; they wouldn't mind playing a consy game.

I've vented and rambled enough. Saw some of the guys getting on the bus for LP late this morning - wished them well for all of us. They look pumped.

GO' GATE!
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Be careful what you wish for. A selection committee subject to biases of other leagues would inevitably be worse for the ECAC regardless of recent history. At least with PWR, it is not open to debate, preferences or regional biases. However, take that article with a grain of salt. There is a weekly bracketology blogs that show high probability of at least 2 teams making it and even SLU with the lowest PWR still has about a 20 % chance based on probable outcomes. As for Anas, he either has a hyper-extended knee or sprained ACL. Either way, he wasn't in uniform for the end of the Union series so I'd say it is more serious than not. Unfortunately, the ECAC did not have great results or competition outside of the league this year. I still think it is preposterous that NCHC is looking at 6 teams and we are looking at 2 or less, but the Big10 is only looking at 1 so it could be worse. We just got to play the games and let the chips fall where they may. And hope the higher seeded teams run the show this weekend except on Saturday night in LP, of course! :D
 
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Am I the only one who likes the fact that the criteria is out in the open. It isn't like someone is hiding what you need to do. We need to go and do it, and heck since we are still playing, we might not even have to worry about the pairwise.

It should be an interesting weekend. It is interesting that the two rested teams play each other and the two game 3 teams play each other giving neither team an advantage.

For our sake I hope QU plays an OT And wins. The only reason I dont want it longer is that we have to play after.
 
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Anas is out for quinnipiac which would be beneficial on Saturday but obviously not great as we are rooting for them on Friday.
 
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TchrBill said:
We seem balanced but do not top the charts and appear middle-of-the-pack. Three wins over the same opponent will be tough. Someone boost my confidence...shabby!

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/1415/confstats/ecachm
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I will boost your confidence. In 2007-2008, we beat SLU 5 out of the 6 times we played. From 2008-2009 through 2012-2013, they went 12-1-1 against us. Last year we went 4-0 against them. So our rivalry is obviously about prolonged streaks. Still, it should be a great game tomorrow (Friday) given that it will see two of the best goalies in the game facing each other.
 
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