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Colgate 2013-14
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Re: Colgate 2013-14
Just bought our playoff tickets to Game 2 and (if needed) Game 3 today! Roll 'gate!
Just bought our playoff tickets to Game 2 and (if needed) Game 3 today! Roll 'gate!
Bennycheck
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Re: Colgate 2013-14
Just win and the rest will take care of itself. They've come to far to let up on the gas peddle now. Wish I could make it down this weekend. Go 'Gate.
Just win and the rest will take care of itself. They've come to far to let up on the gas peddle now. Wish I could make it down this weekend. Go 'Gate.
Re: Colgate 2013-14
We're front and center in this week's ECAC hockey column:
http://www.uscho.com/2014/02/26/tea...ate-in-position-to-keep-winning-vaughan-says/
We're front and center in this week's ECAC hockey column:
http://www.uscho.com/2014/02/26/tea...ate-in-position-to-keep-winning-vaughan-says/
TchrBill
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Re: Colgate 2013-14
Nice article, have always agreed with the team defense philosophy. Offense may work during the regular season, but in the postseason defense is key. We absolutely do need to take care of our own business. Relying on teams around us in the PWR to help our cause is an ugly and frustrating way to dream! This week's bracketology had 2 scenarios for Colgate: vs. Ferris and vs. Minnesota lol.
Something about this season feels very different...preseason poll expectations were low, and justifiably so. What a tremendous surprise. We christened Atlantic City in its inaugural year, have left Albany behind us (thank God)...time to set a new Colgate standard in Lake Placid!
Nice article, have always agreed with the team defense philosophy. Offense may work during the regular season, but in the postseason defense is key. We absolutely do need to take care of our own business. Relying on teams around us in the PWR to help our cause is an ugly and frustrating way to dream! This week's bracketology had 2 scenarios for Colgate: vs. Ferris and vs. Minnesota lol.
Something about this season feels very different...preseason poll expectations were low, and justifiably so. What a tremendous surprise. We christened Atlantic City in its inaugural year, have left Albany behind us (thank God)...time to set a new Colgate standard in Lake Placid!
Re: Colgate 2013-14
The bracketology on USCHO basically just said "screw you" to Colgate. I know at the beginning of the season we all would be happy just to have the team mentioned in a "bracketology" article this late in the season but not that we are here lets get greedy.
The questions I have with it is why the committee would refuse to switch between teams tied with the same # of pairwise wins, but has no problem switching teams with 3 more "wins" on a whim. Yes technically Colgate is in the fourth "tier" but they are more closely related to Vermont and Cornell not Notre Dame or Michigan.
From a fans perspective I only worry about a Minnesota v. Gate (in St. Paul) match up in the first round. We went out there and played them well and they took it as a loss and will be looking for blood. We could go in there and win but I think that is the worst match up for 'gate. This just proves that Colgate has so much to play for this weekend, if not just because we arent in the tournament yet, and even if we were, we dont want that match up.
The bracketology on USCHO basically just said "screw you" to Colgate. I know at the beginning of the season we all would be happy just to have the team mentioned in a "bracketology" article this late in the season but not that we are here lets get greedy.
The questions I have with it is why the committee would refuse to switch between teams tied with the same # of pairwise wins, but has no problem switching teams with 3 more "wins" on a whim. Yes technically Colgate is in the fourth "tier" but they are more closely related to Vermont and Cornell not Notre Dame or Michigan.
From a fans perspective I only worry about a Minnesota v. Gate (in St. Paul) match up in the first round. We went out there and played them well and they took it as a loss and will be looking for blood. We could go in there and win but I think that is the worst match up for 'gate. This just proves that Colgate has so much to play for this weekend, if not just because we arent in the tournament yet, and even if we were, we dont want that match up.
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ColSkate65
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Re: Colgate 2013-14
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here, and want to see what posters think of this plan. We "rest" our players in either both games this weekend or just the Dartmouth game. We give reduced ice time to the Spink line and maybe the second and third lines. We play Finn for 2 periods of the Harvard game. We play Mihilak for the third period vs Harvard and all of the Dartmouth game. My strategy is this: we've wrapped up a top 4 position in the ECAC post-season, so it doesn't really matter where we finish 1-4. The rest will be good for the team and we will come out smoking whoever we play on March 14th. We don't care if we play Minnesota or QU in the big dance....we know we can beat any of them, and having a well rested and non-injured team is paramount. OK....post your thoughts. This is just an idea..throwing it out there..
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here, and want to see what posters think of this plan. We "rest" our players in either both games this weekend or just the Dartmouth game. We give reduced ice time to the Spink line and maybe the second and third lines. We play Finn for 2 periods of the Harvard game. We play Mihilak for the third period vs Harvard and all of the Dartmouth game. My strategy is this: we've wrapped up a top 4 position in the ECAC post-season, so it doesn't really matter where we finish 1-4. The rest will be good for the team and we will come out smoking whoever we play on March 14th. We don't care if we play Minnesota or QU in the big dance....we know we can beat any of them, and having a well rested and non-injured team is paramount. OK....post your thoughts. This is just an idea..throwing it out there..
Re: Colgate 2013-14
I don't think that's a very good idea. We can jump in the PWR this weekend, not so much who we're playing but a lot of teams around us are playing each other. There will be some losses and we can jump. We will have two weeks to "rest up" before we play again. We want to go into the playoffs on a roll, with a winning streak. I think we need the two wins more for NCAA implications.
I don't think that's a very good idea. We can jump in the PWR this weekend, not so much who we're playing but a lot of teams around us are playing each other. There will be some losses and we can jump. We will have two weeks to "rest up" before we play again. We want to go into the playoffs on a roll, with a winning streak. I think we need the two wins more for NCAA implications.
hockeyenthusiast
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Re: Colgate 2013-14
I disagree. As red said, for the first time in close to 10 years, we're no longer only playing for playoff positioning, but for a spot in the NCAA Tournament. We're nowhere near close to securing that and non-wins this weekend would be terribly damaging. Have to come out to win. After all, we currently only have a 1 in 8 chance of winning the ECAC tournament (having secured a place among the last 8 teams in the league playoffs). Also, the higher your seeding the bigger the benefits. Highest seed gets last change in the event we make it to LP and I would truly prefer to play the in the later semifinal if we make it that far and I don't think both Union and QU will be eliminated in the quarters if even one of them is. I do agree with playing Mihalik on Saturday, win or lose Friday, but after Saturday they'll have 13 days before the next game. Don't wanna get rusty haha.
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here, and want to see what posters think of this plan. We "rest" our players in either both games this weekend or just the Dartmouth game. We give reduced ice time to the Spink line and maybe the second and third lines. We play Finn for 2 periods of the Harvard game. We play Mihilak for the third period vs Harvard and all of the Dartmouth game. My strategy is this: we've wrapped up a top 4 position in the ECAC post-season, so it doesn't really matter where we finish 1-4. The rest will be good for the team and we will come out smoking whoever we play on March 14th. We don't care if we play Minnesota or QU in the big dance....we know we can beat any of them, and having a well rested and non-injured team is paramount. OK....post your thoughts. This is just an idea..throwing it out there..
I disagree. As red said, for the first time in close to 10 years, we're no longer only playing for playoff positioning, but for a spot in the NCAA Tournament. We're nowhere near close to securing that and non-wins this weekend would be terribly damaging. Have to come out to win. After all, we currently only have a 1 in 8 chance of winning the ECAC tournament (having secured a place among the last 8 teams in the league playoffs). Also, the higher your seeding the bigger the benefits. Highest seed gets last change in the event we make it to LP and I would truly prefer to play the in the later semifinal if we make it that far and I don't think both Union and QU will be eliminated in the quarters if even one of them is. I do agree with playing Mihalik on Saturday, win or lose Friday, but after Saturday they'll have 13 days before the next game. Don't wanna get rusty haha.
Re: Colgate 2013-14
The only player that should get a rest on Saturday should be Finn. Mahalik has given us am interesting four years and should be rewarded by playing during senior night, especially since the bye is locked up.
We need all the wins we can get though, we are so close to the NCAA I can taste it. I would hate to end up on selection Sunday wishing we had one more win to break a pairwise tie or jump the last team in.
As enthusiast said it doesn't matter for the ecac, we are playing for the big dance
The only player that should get a rest on Saturday should be Finn. Mahalik has given us am interesting four years and should be rewarded by playing during senior night, especially since the bye is locked up.
We need all the wins we can get though, we are so close to the NCAA I can taste it. I would hate to end up on selection Sunday wishing we had one more win to break a pairwise tie or jump the last team in.
As enthusiast said it doesn't matter for the ecac, we are playing for the big dance
Re: Colgate 2013-14
One of the (mostly unwritten) rules the committee uses is that they will move a team around within a band (#4 seeds) but not to another band. So, because Colgate is a #4, they will probably stay within the group of #4's.
One of the (mostly unwritten) rules the committee uses is that they will move a team around within a band (#4 seeds) but not to another band. So, because Colgate is a #4, they will probably stay within the group of #4's.
I get the policy, it just makes no sense in this case, a) the pairwise are tied b) colgate has DEFEATED both teams, so to arbitrarily keep them in a higher "band" defeats the inherent fairness of keeping bands in tact. C)so the committee is willing to let a mathematical formula overrule what happened on a sheet of ice? I really am just happy we are in the conversation just trying to point out flaws in logic.
Secondly, does anyone know if the Ken Dryden award is given out based on league results or the "overall season" results. If it is the prior Finn might have a shot at it (although I will bet it will go to the senior illes)
Ralph Baer
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Re: Colgate 2013-14
It's a league award, so the voters are supposed to count only league games. It does include the first RPI-Colgate game of course.
Just my opinion, but the committee should stick by its rules. If keeping the bands intact is a rule, which I think it is, they should stick by it. Otherwise its back to the smoke-filled room mentality of forty years ago. If you were around then, you never want to go back to it. Make one exception and then someone wants to make another.
It's a league award, so the voters are supposed to count only league games. It does include the first RPI-Colgate game of course.
Just my opinion, but the committee should stick by its rules. If keeping the bands intact is a rule, which I think it is, they should stick by it. Otherwise its back to the smoke-filled room mentality of forty years ago. If you were around then, you never want to go back to it. Make one exception and then someone wants to make another.
ColSkate65
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Re: Colgate 2013-14
I don't think so either. It's a rather dumb idea. I just threw it out there to bump up the thread and get some conversations going. I agree that Mihalik should start on Saturday tho. I agree that there will be essentially two weeks of rest between the Dartmouth game and the first playoff game. That's plenty of rest. In fact I'm leery of teams that have byes doing well in the post season. That's what scares me. Look at what we did when we were 12th in the league a few years ago. Got to keep rolling and try to stay sharp.
I don't think so either. It's a rather dumb idea. I just threw it out there to bump up the thread and get some conversations going. I agree that Mihalik should start on Saturday tho. I agree that there will be essentially two weeks of rest between the Dartmouth game and the first playoff game. That's plenty of rest. In fact I'm leery of teams that have byes doing well in the post season. That's what scares me. Look at what we did when we were 12th in the league a few years ago. Got to keep rolling and try to stay sharp.
It's a league award, so the voters are supposed to count only league games. It does include the first RPI-Colgate game of course.
Just my opinion, but the committee should stick by its rules. If keeping the bands intact is a rule, which I think it is, they should stick by it. Otherwise its back to the smoke-filled room mentality of forty years ago. If you were around then, you never want to go back to it. Make one exception and then someone wants to make another.
I guess my issue is that if a team is tied with another (or two others) and they have beaten both, how are they the ones on the outside. I know this would make things much more complicated but a pairwise tie should go to the head to head winner, then RPI. Just my opinion though, and obviously it is easy for me to say this with 'gate winning those games.
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still an empty net
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Re: Colgate 2013-14
I have never been a big fan of team's resting up with a spot secure in the playoffs (ie...NFL). I was not a fan of Finn not starting against Yale a month ago but wouldn't mind Mihalik against Dartmouth Saturday, especially with it being Senior night. We should be able to win with him in net anyway if the rest of the team is playing at 100%. That being said we can't take these teams that light as Dartmouth is 4-1-1 over their last 6 and may be playing for a home ice if all goes well for them Friday night. As already pointed out we will have a week off before we play at home so that should be enough rest without getting rusty before LP.
As far as the NCAAs go and the pairwise I agree sending Colgate out to play Minnesota is a bunch of BS. I would much rather prefer to play Ferris again as I think they are overrated due to a weaker WCHA conference.
I have never been a big fan of team's resting up with a spot secure in the playoffs (ie...NFL). I was not a fan of Finn not starting against Yale a month ago but wouldn't mind Mihalik against Dartmouth Saturday, especially with it being Senior night. We should be able to win with him in net anyway if the rest of the team is playing at 100%. That being said we can't take these teams that light as Dartmouth is 4-1-1 over their last 6 and may be playing for a home ice if all goes well for them Friday night. As already pointed out we will have a week off before we play at home so that should be enough rest without getting rusty before LP.
As far as the NCAAs go and the pairwise I agree sending Colgate out to play Minnesota is a bunch of BS. I would much rather prefer to play Ferris again as I think they are overrated due to a weaker WCHA conference.
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