Colgate 2012-13

[ColSkate65]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

Straight from Herbst's mouth:

“The construction of the new facility, where 1,500 people can come together in common spirit, will be a major benefit to all of us.”

Would like to think the AD/Coaches/President/BOT know what they're doing. Have been complaining for so long about a new rink that it seems hypocritical to complain. Can't wait to break ground! Where will B&G be relocated to? It's always been an eyesore. So is Reid - inside and out - which is why I'd rather see it replaced despite some nice history.

Still getting votes this week in the polls...have beaten #1, 10, 15 & 17...but lost to 3 bubble teams!? Congrats to Qpac, a feat to be treasured and remembered because unless you're BC it will never happen again.

1500 is absurd. It would be a big mistake to construct a facility that does not project increased attendance into the future. 2500 + standing room is more like it. If we make the Final Four a couple of seasons in a row, you can bet attendance will exceed 2500

As for QU not repeating, a la Yale, don't bet on it. Rand Pecknold is a bird of a different feather and has built a recruiting system that seems to pay off year after year. Wouldn't surprise me to see the QCats at the top - or near the top - for years to come.

 

[QUAlum2004]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

1500 is absurd. It would be a big mistake to construct a facility that does not project increased attendance into the future. 2500 + standing room is more like it. If we make the Final Four a couple of seasons in a row, you can bet attendance will exceed 2500

As for QU not repeating, a la Yale, don't bet on it. Rand Pecknold is a bird of a different feather and has built a recruiting system that seems to pay off year after year. Wouldn't surprise me to see the QCats at the top - or near the top - for years to come.

I think Quinnipiac could become the Clarkson of the 1990's in the ECAC. Clarkson had 9 trips to the NCAA's in the decade with a Frozen Four appearance. Quinnipiac has a lot going for them. Likely the top facility in the ECAC and one of the best in the the northeast. Ever improving academics along with a great campus. The location between Boston and New York is huge along with the city of New Haven 15 minutes away. As Quinnipiac sits next to the Sleeping Giant mountain I think we may be seeing the start of a sleeping giant in the ECAC and potentially the northeast. Quinnipiac scored its first USDT recruit for next season. To me when we are scoring those types of kids being #1 in the polls/pairwise is going to improve recruiting ever so much more.

 

[QUAlum2004]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

1500 is absurd. It would be a big mistake to construct a facility that does not project increased attendance into the future. 2500 + standing room is more like it. If we make the Final Four a couple of seasons in a row, you can bet attendance will exceed 2500

As for QU not repeating, a la Yale, don't bet on it. Rand Pecknold is a bird of a different feather and has built a recruiting system that seems to pay off year after year. Wouldn't surprise me to see the QCats at the top - or near the top - for years to come.

As for making a new rink smaller at Colgate that is really dumb. Capacity on a new building should be 2500 minimum maybe even close to 3000 especially if Colgate wants to get some good non conference opponents to come to their building. 1500 is like playing in Atlantic Hockey.

 

[sshablak]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

I agree !

 

[sshablak]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

QPac has ten recruits so far for next year and ten more coming for future years. We have nine "total". With this restriction on recruits every year we will "always have no depth" and "less" chance of a walkon phenom coming in.

To even be competitive every year is a "major" task for Vauhgan...I'm amazed he does as well as he does !!! Please don't screw up the new rink, like they did to Starr !!

 

[harry]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

What's the timeline on the new facility? Anyone heard?

Great discussion of 'gate hockey.

-harry

 

[TheGreenCoat]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

Shabby, you're preaching to the choir...

 

[FieldHouseFaithful]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

1500 seats for a new facility is bad.I know Colgate doesnt tend to fill up Starr regularly but the high school i went to had a gym that sat 1700 and there were only 750 kids in the school! Our sports teams were never anything to write home about where we had record turnouts but we filled it up about 3/4 of the way most games. For a division 1 athletic program i agree that's too small.

 

[Rjm7272]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

Well, maybe 1500 isn't exactly right...

The new arena will have the same capacity as the current one, roughly 2,200.

This article actually goes along with what I heard at the presentation they had during reunion last year. Listed capacity will remain relatively the same, but the actual capacity will increase (Starr may be listed at about 2200, but according to them, there's no way you could actually get that many people in seats there).

 

[Gate93]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

This would seem to suggest that the new rink will seat about the same as Starr. Some nice quotes and info from Vaughn too. Notably, a quiet confirm that the rink is a hurdle in the recruiting process.

http://blog.syracuse.com/sports/2013/02/post_73.html

Shabby & Greencoat - The thing that concerns me with the recruiting stuff is that most teams, including the Ivies seem to be out two to even three years while we are out just one with the occasional early signer. Are we not playing the same game as everyone else or are the commits there but not announced. I fear its the former as we have no one coming in for next year but we do have a kid listed for 2015. As for only replacing the graduating class, that's what everyone does. The Q may have 10 coming in next year but I counted 12 seniors on the team. It just hurts us more due to the low cap we put on the number of skaters on the roster. I can't find any team with more than 28 (admittedly a scattershot survey and BC is only carrying 24 like we are) so I am guessing that's the limit. But, an extra 2 to 4 skaters can make a huge difference - particularly on the injury front. It seems to me that the way the game is played at the college level now (length of season and increase in speed/injuries) that we are close to if not putting the players at risk by keeping the limit as low as it is. Don't think I can see any reason, logical or not, to stick to 24. Bumping the limit to 26, adding just 2 players, could make a big difference in team depth without hurting the school in any way shape or form.

 

[Rainman]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

Right now, we only have 20 skaters and 2 goalies. If all are healthy, that's 1 healthy forward scratch, 1 healthy defenseman scratch, and 1 backup goalie. Next year (assuming Spiro makes a full recovery and returns to school) it'll be 20 skaters and 3 goalies. We'll have competition at the goaltender position but still just 1 forward scratch and 1 defenseman scratch. Again, this is assuming everyone is healthy.

We'll finally fix this problem in time for the start of the 2014-15 season, IF (big if) we actually replace the "originally intended" class of 2014. Right now there are only 2 players set to graduate in 2014, but remember: Chris Wagner departed, and Jack McNamara, Max Fenkell, and Anthony Hamburg all transferred to other schools. So if we can recruit 6 skaters for 2014, we should be good on the depth front.

 

[sshablak]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

And what a "battle" it will be for our two Finns in goal....Check out Finn's numbers when you get a chance.

 

[TheGreenCoat]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

Gate93...very well stated, very well...over the past several years we HAVE been able to "get away" with a smaller roster because of a relatively low number of injuries, and especially longer-term injuries...if our numbers are correct the squad size for next year will be either similar to or less than this year's number. In addition, one of our early commits seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. I hope I am wrong, but this year's class of freshmen HAS to be complemented by other quality classes for us to make a serious run for a long-awaited NCAA bid.

 

[Marmot]

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Is this really acceptable? This team has now not held a lead for over 240 minutes of gametime. FOUR full games plus. Almost no shots in the third period despite numerous power plays. I'm starting to thing that Spiro Goulakos was the lynchpin of the whole team.

Will ANYONE step up and make a big play? Where are the seniors? This is pathetic.

I am so angry right now, want to just pick up my computer and smash it to the ground. Top things heard from Colgate Radio . . . "[fill in the blank of a Colgate player] MISSES the net" . . . "Colgate loses a 50/50 board battle" . . . "[unnamed Colgate defenseman] blows an assignment and [fill in the blank opponent] scores." EVERY week.

With Dartmouth, RPI, Union, Yale and a surprisingly spunky Brown on the docket, this team will be hard pressed to win ANY games the rest of the season. You can kiss home ice goodbye let alone a bye.

If anyone can find anything positive, please, PLEASE let me know.

 

[blemberg]

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Ahhhhhh.....that was depressing.....where are the upperclassmen? It's Harvard....without Vessey....come on. The freshmen can't do it all!!!! We need to get the puck ON net, NOT shanking it wide. At this time in the season, it's who wants it more......obviously tonight our Colgate boys didn't. Simply frustrating! 0-3-2 in last 5 games.....I'm afraid we are circling the drain. I hope I'm wrong! (Since Spiro left, we are winless.....hoping he is doing well!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Hope tomorrow night is better.

 

[Marmot]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

If I listen to my radio correctly, with respect to Blemberg's query as to the location of the upperclassmen, they can usually be found missing the net or making defensive lapses leading to goals.

 

[czeckthebody]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

Spiro is the linchpin of the team. He is one of the top 4 defensemen in college hockey. It is hard to ose a key guy like that, especially when freshmen are carrying the load, as they tend to get tired this time of year.

But-- a win tomorrow against a fast-disappearing Dartmouth team will change everything.

 

[TheGreenCoat]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

tonight's game is simply an excuse to state what has needed to be stated for a long time...the observations that several (including myself) have made over the past 5 to 7 years are still relevant...are we going to make a serious commitment to winning at the DI level or not? I have been beating this theme to death for 7 years now and frankly I'm sick and tired of foolish optimism (a very cheap commodity in today's culture) or outright stupidity...I am not especially impressed by this senior class, in part because as a group they really haven't lifted their composite games in any great degree since they were freshmen, and maintain serious reservations that the next group of incoming frosh will supplement an impressive class this year...to be blunt...it is becoming obvious to yours truly that our current duo of assistant coaches is not getting it done, compounded by an university-imposed structure that puts our alma mater at a recruiting disadvantage to the rest of the ECAC...I hate to say this, but if our assistant coaches WERE getting it done, they'd be gone by now, hired (like Andrew Dickson) at a higher level...come on folks, we've won barely 40% of our ECAC games over the last seven years...let's wake up, especially if some of us are going to pony up $$$ for a new rink where our current president believes in having a "cum by yah" experience"...

 

[TheGreenCoat]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

tonight's game is simply an excuse to state what has needed to be stated for a long time...the observations that several (including myself) have made over the past 5 to 7 years are still relevant...are we going to make a serious commitment to winning at the DI level or not? I have been beating this theme to death for 7 years now and frankly I'm sick and tired of foolish optimism (a very cheap commodity in today's culture) or outright stupidity...I am not especially impressed by this senior class, in part because as a group they really haven't lifted their composite games in any great degree since they were freshmen, and maintain serious reservations that the next group of incoming frosh will supplement an impressive class this year...to be blunt...it is becoming obvious to yours truly that our current duo of assistant coaches is not getting it done, compounded by an university-imposed structure that puts our alma mater at a recruiting disadvantage to the rest of the ECAC...I hate to say this, but if our assistant coaches WERE getting it done, they'd be gone by now, hired (like Andrew Dickson) at a higher level...come on folks, we've won barely 40% of our ECAC games over the last seven years...let's wake up, especially if some of us are going to pony up $$$ for a new rink where our current president believes in having a "cum by yah" experience"...

 

[TheGreenCoat]

Re: Colgate 2012-13

and, BTW, let's remember at least one bottom line: WE HAVEN'T WON A SEMI-FINAL ECAC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME SINCE 1990...I know, I've been there for every one...I think we really should start to ask some serious questions above the long-term direction of this program...if mediocrity (or a pretense to mediocrity) is your game, then jump on board...for yours truly, someone who has been very generous to this program, i'm getting more than impatient...I don't expect our athletic programs to reflect the British civil service program of the nineteenth century...I know it's not "cool" in today's perverted culture, but i do expect SOME accountability here...if not, my pockets are going to run dry...