I'd ask you to name the other coaches you might be thinking about but it's a moot point. Penn State already made their decision in advance when they brought Jackson on board in the fall. They knew then that they planned to get rid of Brandwene and replace him with Jackson, so any speculation to any other coach is a waste of time. Jackson will be the next head coach and we all know it.
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Coaching Carousel
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I'd ask you to name the other coaches you might be thinking about but it's a moot point. Penn State already made their decision in advance when they brought Jackson on board in the fall. They knew then that they planned to get rid of Brandwene and replace him with Jackson, so any speculation to any other coach is a waste of time. Jackson will be the next head coach and we all know it.
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
Re: Coaching Carousel
I think this is exactly right, and Penn State did all the searching they were going to do when they hired Jackson.
I wonder if he plans on bringing in another assistant, so Lisa Marshall can focus on goalie coaching.
I think this is exactly right, and Penn State did all the searching they were going to do when they hired Jackson.
I wonder if he plans on bringing in another assistant, so Lisa Marshall can focus on goalie coaching.
I'd say that's a given since the standard D1 coaching staff seems to be three full-time paid coaches. My guess is once he is announced as the new head coach a posting for a new assistant coach will quickly follow.
Puckdrop14
New member
Does that thinking change any with Idalski available?
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
Re: Coaching Carousel
I'd rather get Peter Elander and his international recruiting reach.
I'd rather get Peter Elander and his international recruiting reach.
Puckdrop14
New member
Or both!
Not in the least. The plan at Penn State is in stone. See my earlier posts for further comments and opinions on your question.
That's really a minor part of recruiting for D1 and not going to be as big of a difference maker as getting a proven coach with a very good reputation like Jackson.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: Coaching Carousel
If that is truly what they did, then it would appear that the program likes to waste time. Why spend another six months with a head coach that you don't want if you'd rather have a newly-hired assistant? Just hire him to be the HC and don't throw away a season.
HockeyEast33
New member
Re: Coaching Carousel
Pure speculation, but:
- They were still investigating complaints about Brandwene last off-season I believe and hadn't come to final conclusions but likely wanted to have a qualified backup depending on which way they decided to go (and most etablished D1 coaches aren't going to take a future potential position regardless of the salary if they get there).
- Brandwene probably had a multi-year contract that ended this season and they didn't want to pay two head coaches.
- Given the recent history at PS regarding coach treatment of players, they didn't want to create any sort of a potential uproar by dismissing a coach who was being complained in the middle of his contract - now it is just a nice, "decided to go elsewhere" situation that nobody except this forum noticed.
Pure speculation, but:
- They were still investigating complaints about Brandwene last off-season I believe and hadn't come to final conclusions but likely wanted to have a qualified backup depending on which way they decided to go (and most etablished D1 coaches aren't going to take a future potential position regardless of the salary if they get there).
- Brandwene probably had a multi-year contract that ended this season and they didn't want to pay two head coaches.
- Given the recent history at PS regarding coach treatment of players, they didn't want to create any sort of a potential uproar by dismissing a coach who was being complained in the middle of his contract - now it is just a nice, "decided to go elsewhere" situation that nobody except this forum noticed.
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
Re: Coaching Carousel
I don't think anybody bought that "family medical leave" story. Anyone I spoke to at games had the same reaction - it was nothing but Penn State's way of making bad news fade away quietly, because firing Brandwene would have required an explanation, and that would've come with some dirt. Those same people I spoke to didn't really care why he was leaving, either, as long as he left. In any case, fans are ready for the Dean Jackson era and a fresh start.
I don't think anybody bought that "family medical leave" story. Anyone I spoke to at games had the same reaction - it was nothing but Penn State's way of making bad news fade away quietly, because firing Brandwene would have required an explanation, and that would've come with some dirt. Those same people I spoke to didn't really care why he was leaving, either, as long as he left. In any case, fans are ready for the Dean Jackson era and a fresh start.
HockeyEast33
New member
Re: Coaching Carousel
Agreed. Penn State did a good job of managing the Brandwene mess from a publicity standpoint by not allowing it to become another negative coach behavior story. And they did that while still managing to replace the coach. Good for everyone (except the girls who had to play for him I guess).
Agreed. Penn State did a good job of managing the Brandwene mess from a publicity standpoint by not allowing it to become another negative coach behavior story. And they did that while still managing to replace the coach. Good for everyone (except the girls who had to play for him I guess).
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Coaching Carousel
Sean
Not quite. I've been researching and compiling the NCAA financial reports for every public school sponsoring DI hockey for men or women and the EADA reports for all the private schools. Of the 39 schools which have or had DI women's hockey between 2009 and 2016 I have some numbers for 36 (missing UMD, SCSU and MSUM) and Penn State's 4 year average total expenses come in at 7th. The game day operating expenses were 6th overall and 7th per capita. As for coaching expenses, Penn State does not release head coach or assistant coaches total compensation, but total coaches compensation can be inferred. PSU's 4 year average was 3rd of 10 schools that I have the information for, while year-by-year the coaches compensation for 2016 were 4th of ten.
Sean
All of which means nothing to the rest of us. Thanks for the detailed explanation with no detailed numbers to go with the explanation. You're fired.
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
Re: Coaching Carousel
You're supposed to offer him a clean quiet exit, like...oh, say, a family medical leave or something like that.
You're supposed to offer him a clean quiet exit, like...oh, say, a family medical leave or something like that.
Re: Coaching Carousel
So what is the going rate for a D1 vs a D3 coach these days? Everyone seems to imply that Dean Jackson is going to be rolling in the dough! I get the extra budgets and comforts of running a D1 program, but what's the difference that actually goes into his jeans?
So what is the going rate for a D1 vs a D3 coach these days? Everyone seems to imply that Dean Jackson is going to be rolling in the dough! I get the extra budgets and comforts of running a D1 program, but what's the difference that actually goes into his jeans?
HockeyEast33
New member
Re: Coaching Carousel
Hugely varying, but probably on the order of $30-50K incremental between average D3 and average D1. But some D3 head coaches aren't even full time employees with benefits (see Salem State for instance). And D1 U Maine pays their head coach like $50-60K I think. So it's really all over the map.
Hugely varying, but probably on the order of $30-50K incremental between average D3 and average D1. But some D3 head coaches aren't even full time employees with benefits (see Salem State for instance). And D1 U Maine pays their head coach like $50-60K I think. So it's really all over the map.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Coaching Carousel
Wisconsin (6) $4,657,511
Syracuse University (7) $2,039,380
Boston University (7) $1,986,244
Minnesota (7) $1,725,951
Quinnipiac (7) $1,702,663
Northeastern (7) $1,650,699
Penn State (4) $1,625,439
New Hampshire (7) $1,612,720
Minnesota-Duluth (7) $1,574,007
Providence (7) $1,570,646
Rensselaer (7) $1,563,505
Ohio State (7) $1,559,670
Clarkson (7) $1,507,890
St. Lawrence (7) $1,445,256
Boston College (7) $1,440,327
North Dakota (7) $1,396,645
Colgate (7) $1,381,199
Mercyhurst (7) $1,335,967
Vermont (7) $1,292,867
Connectticut (6) $1,286,821
Merrimack (7) $1,270,381
Bemidji State (1) $1,261,239
Niagara (3) $1,112,251
Robert Morris (7) $1,039,815
St. Clous State (7) $972,549
Maine (7) $857,794
Minnesota State (7) $837,486
Wayne State (2) $754,576
Dartmouth (7) $693,991
Cornell (7) $670,086
Harvard (7) $626,158
Lindenwood (5) $592,763
Yale (7) $586,375
Holy Cross (7) $538,558
Brown (7) $528,105
Princeton (7) $524,302
RIT (7) $440,290
Sacred Heart (7) $408,762
Union College (7) $392,908
Here are the expenses for 2016:
Wisconsin $2,947,794
Minnesota $2,368,675
Syracuse University $2,229,744
North Dakota $2,132,160
Ohio State $2,067,516
Penn State $1,964,107
Quinnipiac $1,963,711
Boston University $1,920,447
Providence $1,883,943
Northeastern $1,859,094
Boston College $1,803,141
Clarkson $1,730,918
Connectticut $1,684,595
St. Lawrence $1,642,123
Rensselaer $1,623,794
New Hampshire $1,622,109
Colgate $1,587,479
Mercyhurst $1,515,156
Minnesota-Duluth $1,473,693
Vermont $1,422,875
Merrimack $1,270,381
Robert Morris $1,203,848
St. Clous State $1,176,905
Dartmouth $1,039,449
Minnesota State $924,476
Maine $897,610
Cornell $752,749
Yale $718,140
Harvard $717,871
Lindenwood $697,847
Princeton $650,861
RIT $638,356
Brown $548,480
Union College $511,460
Holy Cross $478,020
Sacred Heart $351,518
Here are the average game day operating expenses (travel, equipment & uniforms, and game day expenses only):
Wisconsin (6) $611,749
Syracuse University (7) $444,837
Boston University (7) $408,335
Minnesota (7) $361,157
Quinnipiac (7) $349,018
Northeastern (7) $311,674
Penn State (4) $307,441
New Hampshire (7) $258,856
Minnesota-Duluth (7) $258,107
Providence (7) $240,692
Rensselaer (7) $226,083
Ohio State (7) $209,705
Clarkson (7) $190,057
St. Lawrence (7) $188,106
Boston College (7) $186,777
North Dakota (7) $176,900
Colgate (7) $175,809
Mercyhurst (7) $175,043
Vermont (7) $170,926
Connectticut (6) $170,687
Merrimack (7) $169,459
Bemidji State (1) $167,211
Niagara (3) $163,801
Robert Morris (7) $161,064
St. Clous State (7) $161,061
Maine (7) $158,046
Minnesota State (7) $152,241
Wayne State (2) $151,857
Dartmouth (7) $151,819
Cornell (7) $150,981
Harvard (7) $146,417
Lindenwood (5) $139,104
Yale (7) $137,019
Holy Cross (7) $135,596
Brown (7) $121,718
Princeton (7) $118,666
RIT (7) $108,470
Sacred Heart (7) $106,156
Union College (7) $74,861
Here are the 2016 game day operating expenses:
Wisconsin $638,598
Ohio State $564,222
North Dakota $551,623
Minnesota $427,562
Minnesota-Duluth $347,722
Penn State $320,547
St. Clous State $307,848
Minnesota State $292,113
Dartmouth $239,335
Mercyhurst $225,493
RIT $222,861
Yale $216,965
Boston University $201,862
Clarkson $201,349
Colgate $199,737
Connectticut $199,074
Rensselaer $195,881
Syracuse University $194,433
Boston College $192,754
Lindenwood $192,271
Robert Morris $190,755
Princeton $186,128
Union College $183,771
Vermont $178,221
Harvard $176,535
Providence $171,906
Cornell $171,456
New Hampshire $167,718
Brown $158,094
St. Lawrence $156,807
Northeastern $146,260
Sacred Heart $126,128
Merrimack $121,718
Maine $114,540
Holy Cross $102,796
Quinnipiac $68,805
Here are the average per capita game day operating expenses:
Wisconsin (6) $25,593
Bemidji State (1) $17,109
Ohio State (7) $16,263
Minnesota (7) $15,600
North Dakota (7) $13,865
Minnesota-Duluth (7) $13,746
St. Clous State (7) $12,937
Boston University (7) $10,204
Minnesota State (7) $10,026
Penn State (4) $9,722
Mercyhurst (7) $9,494
Rensselaer (7) $9,353
Wayne State (2) $8,957
Dartmouth (7) $8,556
Clarkson (7) $8,205
Connectticut (6) $7,980
Syracuse University (7) $7,915
Vermont (7) $7,738
Colgate (7) $7,687
Lindenwood (5) $7,640
Princeton (7) $7,585
RIT (7) $7,325
Boston College (7) $7,301
Cornell (7) $7,292
New Hampshire (7) $7,027
Brown (7) $6,944
Union College (7) $6,719
Harvard (7) $6,553
Yale (7) $6,452
Northeastern (7) $6,274
St. Lawrence (7) $5,880
Providence (7) $5,807
Merrimack (7) $5,796
Robert Morris (7) $5,642
Niagara (3) $5,360
Maine (7) $4,791
Quinnipiac (7) $4,115
Sacred Heart (7) $3,844
Holy Cross (7) $3,009
Here are the 2016 per capita game day operating expenses:
Wisconsin $27,765
North Dakota $22,065
Ohio State $20,897
Minnesota $17,102
Minnesota-Duluth $15,806
St. Clous State $12,827
Penn State $11,872
Minnesota State $11,685
Dartmouth $10,879
Clarkson $9,588
RIT $9,286
Syracuse University $9,259
Lindenwood $9,156
Colgate $9,079
Yale $9,040
Rensselaer $8,904
Boston University $8,777
Union College $8,751
Robert Morris $8,671
Vermont $8,487
Princeton $8,460
Mercyhurst $8,352
Connectticut $8,295
Boston College $8,031
Brown $7,528
Cornell $7,455
Harvard $7,356
New Hampshire $6,988
Providence $6,612
St. Lawrence $6,534
Northeastern $5,850
Merrimack $5,796
Maine $4,242
Sacred Heart $4,204
Holy Cross $4,112
Quinnipiac $2,867
Sean
Here are the average total expenses for all 39 DI programs between 2009-16. The number in parenthesis is the number of years averaged:
Wisconsin (6) $4,657,511
Syracuse University (7) $2,039,380
Boston University (7) $1,986,244
Minnesota (7) $1,725,951
Quinnipiac (7) $1,702,663
Northeastern (7) $1,650,699
Penn State (4) $1,625,439
New Hampshire (7) $1,612,720
Minnesota-Duluth (7) $1,574,007
Providence (7) $1,570,646
Rensselaer (7) $1,563,505
Ohio State (7) $1,559,670
Clarkson (7) $1,507,890
St. Lawrence (7) $1,445,256
Boston College (7) $1,440,327
North Dakota (7) $1,396,645
Colgate (7) $1,381,199
Mercyhurst (7) $1,335,967
Vermont (7) $1,292,867
Connectticut (6) $1,286,821
Merrimack (7) $1,270,381
Bemidji State (1) $1,261,239
Niagara (3) $1,112,251
Robert Morris (7) $1,039,815
St. Clous State (7) $972,549
Maine (7) $857,794
Minnesota State (7) $837,486
Wayne State (2) $754,576
Dartmouth (7) $693,991
Cornell (7) $670,086
Harvard (7) $626,158
Lindenwood (5) $592,763
Yale (7) $586,375
Holy Cross (7) $538,558
Brown (7) $528,105
Princeton (7) $524,302
RIT (7) $440,290
Sacred Heart (7) $408,762
Union College (7) $392,908
Here are the expenses for 2016:
Wisconsin $2,947,794
Minnesota $2,368,675
Syracuse University $2,229,744
North Dakota $2,132,160
Ohio State $2,067,516
Penn State $1,964,107
Quinnipiac $1,963,711
Boston University $1,920,447
Providence $1,883,943
Northeastern $1,859,094
Boston College $1,803,141
Clarkson $1,730,918
Connectticut $1,684,595
St. Lawrence $1,642,123
Rensselaer $1,623,794
New Hampshire $1,622,109
Colgate $1,587,479
Mercyhurst $1,515,156
Minnesota-Duluth $1,473,693
Vermont $1,422,875
Merrimack $1,270,381
Robert Morris $1,203,848
St. Clous State $1,176,905
Dartmouth $1,039,449
Minnesota State $924,476
Maine $897,610
Cornell $752,749
Yale $718,140
Harvard $717,871
Lindenwood $697,847
Princeton $650,861
RIT $638,356
Brown $548,480
Union College $511,460
Holy Cross $478,020
Sacred Heart $351,518
Here are the average game day operating expenses (travel, equipment & uniforms, and game day expenses only):
Wisconsin (6) $611,749
Syracuse University (7) $444,837
Boston University (7) $408,335
Minnesota (7) $361,157
Quinnipiac (7) $349,018
Northeastern (7) $311,674
Penn State (4) $307,441
New Hampshire (7) $258,856
Minnesota-Duluth (7) $258,107
Providence (7) $240,692
Rensselaer (7) $226,083
Ohio State (7) $209,705
Clarkson (7) $190,057
St. Lawrence (7) $188,106
Boston College (7) $186,777
North Dakota (7) $176,900
Colgate (7) $175,809
Mercyhurst (7) $175,043
Vermont (7) $170,926
Connectticut (6) $170,687
Merrimack (7) $169,459
Bemidji State (1) $167,211
Niagara (3) $163,801
Robert Morris (7) $161,064
St. Clous State (7) $161,061
Maine (7) $158,046
Minnesota State (7) $152,241
Wayne State (2) $151,857
Dartmouth (7) $151,819
Cornell (7) $150,981
Harvard (7) $146,417
Lindenwood (5) $139,104
Yale (7) $137,019
Holy Cross (7) $135,596
Brown (7) $121,718
Princeton (7) $118,666
RIT (7) $108,470
Sacred Heart (7) $106,156
Union College (7) $74,861
Here are the 2016 game day operating expenses:
Wisconsin $638,598
Ohio State $564,222
North Dakota $551,623
Minnesota $427,562
Minnesota-Duluth $347,722
Penn State $320,547
St. Clous State $307,848
Minnesota State $292,113
Dartmouth $239,335
Mercyhurst $225,493
RIT $222,861
Yale $216,965
Boston University $201,862
Clarkson $201,349
Colgate $199,737
Connectticut $199,074
Rensselaer $195,881
Syracuse University $194,433
Boston College $192,754
Lindenwood $192,271
Robert Morris $190,755
Princeton $186,128
Union College $183,771
Vermont $178,221
Harvard $176,535
Providence $171,906
Cornell $171,456
New Hampshire $167,718
Brown $158,094
St. Lawrence $156,807
Northeastern $146,260
Sacred Heart $126,128
Merrimack $121,718
Maine $114,540
Holy Cross $102,796
Quinnipiac $68,805
Here are the average per capita game day operating expenses:
Wisconsin (6) $25,593
Bemidji State (1) $17,109
Ohio State (7) $16,263
Minnesota (7) $15,600
North Dakota (7) $13,865
Minnesota-Duluth (7) $13,746
St. Clous State (7) $12,937
Boston University (7) $10,204
Minnesota State (7) $10,026
Penn State (4) $9,722
Mercyhurst (7) $9,494
Rensselaer (7) $9,353
Wayne State (2) $8,957
Dartmouth (7) $8,556
Clarkson (7) $8,205
Connectticut (6) $7,980
Syracuse University (7) $7,915
Vermont (7) $7,738
Colgate (7) $7,687
Lindenwood (5) $7,640
Princeton (7) $7,585
RIT (7) $7,325
Boston College (7) $7,301
Cornell (7) $7,292
New Hampshire (7) $7,027
Brown (7) $6,944
Union College (7) $6,719
Harvard (7) $6,553
Yale (7) $6,452
Northeastern (7) $6,274
St. Lawrence (7) $5,880
Providence (7) $5,807
Merrimack (7) $5,796
Robert Morris (7) $5,642
Niagara (3) $5,360
Maine (7) $4,791
Quinnipiac (7) $4,115
Sacred Heart (7) $3,844
Holy Cross (7) $3,009
Here are the 2016 per capita game day operating expenses:
Wisconsin $27,765
North Dakota $22,065
Ohio State $20,897
Minnesota $17,102
Minnesota-Duluth $15,806
St. Clous State $12,827
Penn State $11,872
Minnesota State $11,685
Dartmouth $10,879
Clarkson $9,588
RIT $9,286
Syracuse University $9,259
Lindenwood $9,156
Colgate $9,079
Yale $9,040
Rensselaer $8,904
Boston University $8,777
Union College $8,751
Robert Morris $8,671
Vermont $8,487
Princeton $8,460
Mercyhurst $8,352
Connectticut $8,295
Boston College $8,031
Brown $7,528
Cornell $7,455
Harvard $7,356
New Hampshire $6,988
Providence $6,612
St. Lawrence $6,534
Northeastern $5,850
Merrimack $5,796
Maine $4,242
Sacred Heart $4,204
Holy Cross $4,112
Quinnipiac $2,867
Sean