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Climate Change 3: Whatever you do don't call it a twatwaffle

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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Wonder what would happen if the Great Lakes were surrounded by red states
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The Sicatoka said:
I do not believe that is having the effect you believe it to be having.
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They glued their hands to... the glass.

I'm pretty sure there's both an easy and satisfying solution to that. What's the movie where Bruce Willis (?) rips out somebody's nose ring?
 
Yes, to the glass, but it's annoying a segment of the populace that may otherwise be sympathetic. And the day they actually do damage a masterpiece work ... oops.

The nastiest rips piercing out movie is "The Punisher".
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Yes, to the glass, but it's annoying a segment of the populace that may otherwise be sympathetic.
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I think they factored that in. I understand the idea of shock protest, but I think it is much more effective if you just announce your intention to do something. You get all the coverage and freak out and it lends itself, since it is a hypothetical, to an abstract argument:

1. Would such an act ever be justified?
2. Well, if you're a utilitarian, that would depend on what you lose compared to what you save.
3. Hence it turns on what the impact of the environmental devastation is...

and then you're off to the races, having gotten people to engage in discussing the real life effects of climate change, etc.

A decade or two ago some philosophy student announced he'd stream himself burning a kitten alive on such and such a future date, to draw attention to I forget what -- climate, health care, homelessness, AIDS, something. Now the fact that I can't recall the details tells you this didn't exactly work as an act of consciousness raising, but something like that -- in the abstract future -- is probably more effective.

The other way to do it is to center all the suffering on yourself, like the monk who set himself on fire to protest Vietnam. Then all the people who want to change to subject and prevent the discussion at least can't invoke tropes of damage done to a public good.

It is difficult to wake the gen pop, and the pols who pander to it, from their moral coma. Don't Look Up covers this beautifully.
 
Kep, it's overthought.

We've made a six-second sound/vid clip world.

The person scrolling though a news feed (or glancing up at CNN in an airport) will see some knucklehead glued to a masterpiece with a banner of "protestors self-glued to masterpiece" in the big font and the smaller font ignored.

And they won't ask or wonder why. They'll just wonder (or be annoyed at) who has time and money for such dalliances.
 
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Kep, it's overthought.

We've made a six-second sound/vid clip world.

The person scrolling though a news feed (or glancing up at CNN in an airport) will see some knucklehead glued to a masterpiece with a banner of "protestors self-glued to masterpiece" in the big font and the smaller font ignored.

And they won't ask or wonder why. They'll just wonder (or be annoyed at) who has time and money for such dalliances.
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The average boob isn't the target, though. The average boob is selfish and will not sacrifice any of his convenience. He votes for Dump and thinks every form of social assistance is "stealing by lazy people" except of course whatever program he uses which is "vital, earned, and underfunded."

The target is allies like me who can think but are lazy and hypocritical and don't do anything. We see that protest; we understand the point. It works into our conscience, and someday some percentage of us become activists. We gradually push our representatives towards sanity (unless prevented by a powerful lobby like guns). That's how all civil rights and social progress movements have proceeded. The alternation of shock and persuasion. Malcolm and Martin. You need both.
 
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You can probably guess Mac* and I have chatted on topic. (I've met Matheson also.)

The energy transition must consider threats to reliability and focus on the importance of allowing adequate time, technology development and the construction of desperately needed transmission lines to move electricity within regional markets. It is overambitious to believe this can happen by the current federal target of 2035.
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https://www.grandforksherald.com/op...ep-the-lights-on-during-the-energy-transition


*Can't believe the Herald identified him as "Mac". His given name is Robert, but he goes by Mac.
 
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