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Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

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walrus said:
Tell that to the people who actually live in those shadows. See Mars hill in Maine.

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And explain how that matters to people living down wind from a coal plant. Especially the ones living with some kind of lung disease.
 
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alfablue said:
And explain how that matters to people living down wind from a coal plant. Especially the ones living with some kind of lung disease.
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Don't forget the lucky souls who live near coal mines and get to drink poison straight from the tap. I'm sure they're grateful they don't have to deal with a hum.
 
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How about all those that live near oil spills like in the Gulf...
 
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I really think the noise and shadows are the most contrived, self-centered arguments ever put forth in a serious manner.
 
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alfablue said:
And explain how that matters to people living down wind from a coal plant. Especially the ones living with some kind of lung disease.
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Nice change of the subject.

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mookie1995 said:
How many towers are you building in your yards? :)
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I know you’re trolling but...

We have one at a school not far from my home. I’d gladly have one 300 meters from my house like GE recommends.

But then again, I live in the burbs. There’s no room. It’s not worth the infrastructure cost to build one within city limits.
 
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I know you’re trolling but...

We have one at a school not far from my home. I’d gladly have one 300 meters from my house like GE recommends.

But then again, I live in the burbs. There’s no room. It’s not worth the infrastructure cost to build one within city limits.
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So then you are imposing on others....

If nyc can’t get any provider to supply xx% of renewables, are they just going to go without electricity.
 
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walrus said:
Nice change of the subject.

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How is it a change of subject? NIMBY is the same whether it's a windmill or a coal plant.

You are suggesting that people won't like having a windmill in their back yard, and people already have coal plants in their back yard. So why should we worry about land owners when we already crap on poor people? I'm certainly not going to care about 1 or 2 families of land owners worried about noise and shadow when we have entire neighborhoods of families down wind of coal plants. Worse if the windmills are not even on their land...
 
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alfablue said:
How is it a change of subject? NIMBY is the same whether it's a windmill or a coal plant.

You are suggesting that people won't like having a windmill in their back yard, and people already have coal plants in their back yard. So why should we worry about land owners when we already crap on poor people? I'm certainly not going to care about 1 or 2 families of land owners worried about noise and shadow when we have entire neighborhoods of families down wind of coal plants. Worse if the windmills are not even on their land...
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Im not suggesting anything other than shadows from turbine blades are a real issue.

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Im not suggesting anything other than shadows from turbine blades are a real issue.

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And I’m pointing out that no matter how big the issue is, it pales compared to how people are dealing with coal power plants.

So it’s not a big deal.
 
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alfablue said:
How is it a change of subject? NIMBY is the same whether it's a windmill or a coal plant.
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I'm on your side in this debate but I can't stop myself from playing Rhetoric Police.

It is whataboutism, which is a form of changing the subject, or at least changing the POV of the debate. Turbines > Coal Plants is absolutely relevant to the comparison of turbines and coal plants, but it's not relevant to a cloistered, non-analytic description of what a turbine does to its environment.

As to the latter, I've never lived near one so I don't know -- I just think they look really cool from a distance.

I've never lived near a coal plant either but I'm willing to make some assumptions.
 
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Kepler said:
I'm on your side in this debate but I can't stop myself from playing Rhetoric Police.

It is whataboutism, which is a form of changing the subject, or at least changing the POV of the debate. Turbines > Coal Plants is absolutely relevant to the comparison of turbines and coal plants, but it's not relevant to a cloistered, non-analytic description of what a turbine does to its environment.

As to the latter, I've never lived near one so I don't know -- I just think they look really cool from a distance.

I've never lived near a coal plant either but I'm willing to make some assumptions.
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Greater society decided that there were going to be winners and losers when it comes to placing power plants- regardless of how it generates power.

The exact same thing is happening with wind turbines. The only difference now is that farmers are complaining and people are listening. As opposed to generally poor complaining, and everyone ignoring. And given the complaints, farmers and the local environment can handle it far better than most combustion based power. If you want environmental studies of combustion plants, I'm sure we can dig them up, but I can't see sound and shadow comparing well to combustion byproducts.

In other words, farmers can deal with it. Especially since they lease their land for power generation.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
My direct personal auditory/sensory experience aligns to this from Wisconsin. There's a pulsing of the blades in the wind.

https://www.wind-watch.org/video-fonddulacnoise.php

C'mon out to energy plantation and see for yourself.
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What is hilarious about that clip is I have been outside of that exact wind turbine and it is not noisy at all. C'mon visit my parents house as it is surrounded by wind farms in Fond du Lac. Or don't. Try again.
 
alfablue said:
Greater society decided that there were going to be winners and losers when it comes to placing power plants- regardless of how it generates power.

The exact same thing is happening with wind turbines. The only difference now is that farmers are complaining and people are listening. As opposed to generally poor complaining, and everyone ignoring. And given the complaints, farmers and the local environment can handle it far better than most combustion based power. If you want environmental studies of combustion plants, I'm sure we can dig them up, but I can't see sound and shadow comparing well to combustion byproducts.

In other words, farmers can deal with it. Especially since they lease their land for power generation.
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Greater society allowed to decide if ******** babies can be born?
Greater society allow to determine when cancer patients have used enough health care dollars? Diabetes?
How about stupid people....iq < 105?
Ugly girls?
 
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