What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

ticapnews said:
The sun goes away at night, so there's that. Wind isn't a viable alternative either because of the windmill cancer.
Click to expand...

On a serious note- is there a place on earth that can 100% rely on the combination of wind and solar without some kind of make up power? I can't think of one.

Whereas I can think of a LOT of places where the sun in the winter is a whole lot shorter than in the summer, clouds cover for days on end, and wind isn't blowing 100% of the time. Which means something is needed for make up when the sun and wind are not capable of doing all of the work. What should that be, if we can't burn stuff?
 
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

alfablue said:
On a serious note- is there a place on earth that can 100% rely on the combination of wind and solar without some kind of make up power?
Click to expand...

The entire North American prairie from Texas to Manitoba?
 
alfablue said:
On a serious note- is there a place on earth that can 100% rely on the combination of wind and solar without some kind of make up power? I can't think of one.

Whereas I can think of a LOT of places where the sun in the winter is a whole lot shorter than in the summer, clouds cover for days on end, and wind isn't blowing 100% of the time. Which means something is needed for make up when the sun and wind are not capable of doing all of the work. What should that be, if we can't burn stuff?
Click to expand...

Most of Europe gets its power from solar and wind now. I think it was Holland (maybe Denmark) that went 100% renewable recently.

China is already developing alternatives and when they decide not to use coal anymore they can turn it off like flipping a light switch. They have huge solar farms (you may have seen the one shaped like a panda) and massive wind farms. Huge parts of Africa and Australia as well. We just need to build the solar panels and windmills.

Also in the mix is tidal power. Some European countries have harnessed that energy source. As long as we have a moon that source isn't going away either.
 
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

Kepler said:
The entire North American prairie from Texas to Manitoba?
Click to expand...

All I know is that the extreme cold of the upper midwest takes a pretty significant toll on all things mechanical. I think I even recall someone telling me that in certain situations a wind tower can become a negative producer of power because of the heat necessary to keep its equipment in working order.
 
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

ticapnews said:
Most of Europe gets its power from solar and wind now. I think it was Holland (maybe Denmark) that went 100% renewable recently.

China is already developing alternatives and when they decide not to use coal anymore they can turn it off like flipping a light switch. They have huge solar farms (you may have seen the one shaped like a panda) and massive wind farms. Huge parts of Africa and Australia as well. We just need to build the solar panels and windmills.

Also in the mix is tidal power. Some European countries have harnessed that energy source. As long as we have a moon that source isn't going away either.
Click to expand...

Hey, let's put a magnet on the moon and...
 
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

alfablue said:
On a serious note- is there a place on earth that can 100% rely on the combination of wind and solar without some kind of make up power? I can't think of one.

Whereas I can think of a LOT of places where the sun in the winter is a whole lot shorter than in the summer, clouds cover for days on end, and wind isn't blowing 100% of the time. Which means something is needed for make up when the sun and wind are not capable of doing all of the work. What should that be, if we can't burn stuff?
Click to expand...

Didn't The Netherlands go something like 100 hours entirely on renewables? As in, the entire country.
 
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

Even jolly old England is in the renewables game. The last I heard they had gone a whole fortnight (two weeks for you heathens) without burning any coal - for the first time since the Victorian Era.
 
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

Serious stupid question.....

That big iceberg chuck just released from Antarctica was mentioned to be floating for months.

Any possible way to tow/tug these to places that need water or have lost water? Like great salt lake (use one of the best planes to ferry chunks to drop :)): have Bruce Willis and Steve buchemi drill it apart for easy access and manageable weight? :p

Hoover and mead have room to add some ice.
 
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

ticapnews said:
Most of Europe gets its power from solar and wind now. I think it was Holland (maybe Denmark) that went 100% renewable recently.

China is already developing alternatives and when they decide not to use coal anymore they can turn it off like flipping a light switch. They have huge solar farms (you may have seen the one shaped like a panda) and massive wind farms. Huge parts of Africa and Australia as well. We just need to build the solar panels and windmills.

Also in the mix is tidal power. Some European countries have harnessed that energy source. As long as we have a moon that source isn't going away either.
Click to expand...

Again, to have the weather to be perfect 100% of the time so that you have wind at night and sun during the day....

Just because you GET huge amounts of energy from sun and wind does not mean you can rely on it 100% of the time. Weather is funny that way. So the grid requires either massive amounts of storage (batteries or dams right now) or you have a power plant on reserve.

So what is the plan for that alternate power plant if you can't burn stuff??? Why can't anyone answer that question?

Mocking me that countries are getting 100% renewable (even when they are not) isn't helpful. MOST of the world can NOT rely purely on the combination of sun and wind, as the weather just does not let it. Which means there has to be a 3rd option. That's what I'm asking about if you don't want to burn stuff or let atoms break down to make power.

edit- BTW, I'm not in denial that global warming is real, I'm trying to solve the problem of power for everyone 100% of the time without brown outs due to the weather. There HAS to be another choice that can be universally applied to the world.
 
Last edited:
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

alfablue said:
Again, to have the weather to be perfect 100% of the time so that you have wind at night and sun during the day....

Just because you GET huge amounts of energy from sun and wind does not mean you can rely on it 100% of the time. Weather is funny that way. So the grid requires either massive amounts of storage (batteries or dams right now) or you have a power plant on reserve.

So what is the plan for that alternate power plant if you can't burn stuff??? Why can't anyone answer that question?

Mocking me that countries are getting 100% renewable (even when they are not) isn't helpful. MOST of the world can NOT rely purely on the combination of sun and wind, as the weather just does not let it. Which means there has to be a 3rd option. That's what I'm asking about if you don't want to burn stuff or let atoms break down to make power.

edit- BTW, I'm not in denial that global warming is real, I'm trying to solve the problem of power for everyone 100% of the time without brown outs due to the weather. There HAS to be another choice that can be universally applied to the world.
Click to expand...

its not a popular opinion now, but splitting atoms is better than burning stuff (even "clean" stuff like natural gas). Fossil fuels have caused more environmental damage than nuclear ever will.
 
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

I 100% agree, but others are in denial thanks to some really bad designs.
 
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

BassAle said:
its not a popular opinion now, but splitting atoms is better than burning stuff (even "clean" stuff like natural gas). Fossil fuels have caused more environmental damage than nuclear ever will.
Click to expand...

Yes.
 
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

I'd take a nuke plant over coal or gas any day. Just don't build it in my backyard. ;)
 
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I'd take a nuke plant over coal or gas any day. Just don't build it in my backyard. ;)
Click to expand...

Have the states bid for nuke plants. The red states will grab them like they grab bases and prisons. If something goes wrong no great loss. Win / win.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top