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CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
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WHKY blogger
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Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
Costs for the colorado schools is the biggest obstical. Also title lX may play a role as well.
Michigan will not have a ladies program as long as Red is around. His statement years back about quitting before he would allow the school to take on the burden of a ladies team seems to be holding up for now...
Costs for the colorado schools is the biggest obstical. Also title lX may play a role as well.
Michigan will not have a ladies program as long as Red is around. His statement years back about quitting before he would allow the school to take on the burden of a ladies team seems to be holding up for now...
THE Icemom
Registered User
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
I think "costs" for the Colorado schools needs to be clarified. I think maybe WHKY Blogger is addressing the transportation costs. With the exception of North Dakota which is a bus ride, all majority of D1 Women's Hockey is based out of the upper midwest and east, all a costly plane trip away. If one looks at this from both the men's and women's side, CC vs. DU men's games can fill Magness Arena easily. Programs, memorabilia, concessions = $. What are the chances, if CC and DU both fielded women's teams, that Magness Arena would sell-out. My guess is slim to none. It is all comes down to the dollars. As a Coloradan, I totally understand the situation. Would I like to go to a women's hockey game here? Sure I would but it isn't going to happen.
I think "costs" for the Colorado schools needs to be clarified. I think maybe WHKY Blogger is addressing the transportation costs. With the exception of North Dakota which is a bus ride, all majority of D1 Women's Hockey is based out of the upper midwest and east, all a costly plane trip away. If one looks at this from both the men's and women's side, CC vs. DU men's games can fill Magness Arena easily. Programs, memorabilia, concessions = $. What are the chances, if CC and DU both fielded women's teams, that Magness Arena would sell-out. My guess is slim to none. It is all comes down to the dollars. As a Coloradan, I totally understand the situation. Would I like to go to a women's hockey game here? Sure I would but it isn't going to happen.
futurestar
New member
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
What about schools like Central Connecticut State? There is a rink right outside their back gate but no hockey teams at all....
Lack of Massachusetts DIII Teams is one of my biggest frustrations. On the men's side is the MASCAC league (Fitchburg, Framingham, Salem, UMD, Worcester, etc) but the only D III women's team is UMass Boston. This in one of the countries supposed "Hotbed" of women's hockey.
What about schools like Central Connecticut State? There is a rink right outside their back gate but no hockey teams at all....
Lack of Massachusetts DIII Teams is one of my biggest frustrations. On the men's side is the MASCAC league (Fitchburg, Framingham, Salem, UMD, Worcester, etc) but the only D III women's team is UMass Boston. This in one of the countries supposed "Hotbed" of women's hockey.
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
Sean
That didn't stop DU from starting men's and women's lacrosse programs.
Sean
CanHockGuy
New member
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
I took a kid's team in to see their dressing room several years back. Let's just say he wasn't very accommodating.
Red...friggin' dinosaur.
I took a kid's team in to see their dressing room several years back. Let's just say he wasn't very accommodating.
THE Icemom
Registered User
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
We thought Colorado would be ideal for women's college too but no such luck. Mine had to go east. I had spoken to a high school athletics director 5 years ago about bringing boys hockey to our district and got told no. Saw him at a function the other day and asked him if he was going to go for it yet and he said that since some of the private schools have high school hockey and can't fill their rosters, they are utilizing the public school kids available. This is boy's hockey, imagine trying to get girl's high school hockey to be popular enough for college's to even consider it.
We thought Colorado would be ideal for women's college too but no such luck. Mine had to go east. I had spoken to a high school athletics director 5 years ago about bringing boys hockey to our district and got told no. Saw him at a function the other day and asked him if he was going to go for it yet and he said that since some of the private schools have high school hockey and can't fill their rosters, they are utilizing the public school kids available. This is boy's hockey, imagine trying to get girl's high school hockey to be popular enough for college's to even consider it.
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
My suggestion then would be for you to endow Colorado College with funds sufficient to fund, and earmarked to only fund, a women's DI ice hockey team in perpetuity. You might even ask that profits from gate receipts, concessions, memorabilia & etc., be paid directly to you to lessen your endowment commitment. Moreover, you could require them to let you pick the team name -- provided it's not Indian related.
My suggestion then would be for you to endow Colorado College with funds sufficient to fund, and earmarked to only fund, a women's DI ice hockey team in perpetuity. You might even ask that profits from gate receipts, concessions, memorabilia & etc., be paid directly to you to lessen your endowment commitment. Moreover, you could require them to let you pick the team name -- provided it's not Indian related.
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
...but I don't believe Michigan or Michigan State can use the funds excuse...if the other Big 10 schools in the WCHA can manage. Considerable revenue from football and hoops...Wolverine men's hockey must make money too I would guess.
Soo Lakers...Wildcats?
...but I don't believe Michigan or Michigan State can use the funds excuse...if the other Big 10 schools in the WCHA can manage. Considerable revenue from football and hoops...Wolverine men's hockey must make money too I would guess.
Soo Lakers...Wildcats?
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
We could start a countdown to when the dinosaur becomes extinct. Can't be long.
Red...friggin' dinosaur.
We could start a countdown to when the dinosaur becomes extinct. Can't be long.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
I think the last time this was discussed the point was made that CC is D-I in men's hockey and one women's sport (soccer?), but D-III in everything else. They couldn't add women's hockey as a D-I sport unless they went D-I (or D-II perhaps) across the board. D-III women's hockey would be easier in terms of legalities, but even tougher to find opponents willing to travel.
I think the last time this was discussed the point was made that CC is D-I in men's hockey and one women's sport (soccer?), but D-III in everything else. They couldn't add women's hockey as a D-I sport unless they went D-I (or D-II perhaps) across the board. D-III women's hockey would be easier in terms of legalities, but even tougher to find opponents willing to travel.
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
Moorhead State University is not going DI anytime soon...not sure about HC - but I would say 3 years at least.
Moorhead State University is not going DI anytime soon...not sure about HC - but I would say 3 years at least.
FranchisePlayer
New member
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
I agree. Its appalling that those schools don't have teams for the women. How about some of the other ECAC teams that don't have women's teams: Becker, Babson, Curry, Wentworth and Suffolk.
I agree. Its appalling that those schools don't have teams for the women. How about some of the other ECAC teams that don't have women's teams: Becker, Babson, Curry, Wentworth and Suffolk.
CammieBuckeye
O-H!!!!
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
I played Michigan's women's club team, which was always a tough game. Michigan State has been an elite club team for years. Grand Valley has just come on recently and played very well. Western Michigan was a powerhouse in club a few years ago, but have dropped off in the past few years. And with all the elite level girls' travel hockey they have up there, they could definitely have a D1 be competitive. And I totally agree about Red Berenson being stuck in the past. Dude needs to get a life. Michigan has plenty of resources (read: money) to put a women's varsity hockey team together. Maybe it's not only Red, but Title IX holding them back. I dunno. But it would be nice for the Ohio State/Michigan rivalry to be extended into women's D1 hockey. I know our club games were always intense and hard fought.
I played Michigan's women's club team, which was always a tough game. Michigan State has been an elite club team for years. Grand Valley has just come on recently and played very well. Western Michigan was a powerhouse in club a few years ago, but have dropped off in the past few years. And with all the elite level girls' travel hockey they have up there, they could definitely have a D1 be competitive. And I totally agree about Red Berenson being stuck in the past. Dude needs to get a life. Michigan has plenty of resources (read: money) to put a women's varsity hockey team together. Maybe it's not only Red, but Title IX holding them back. I dunno. But it would be nice for the Ohio State/Michigan rivalry to be extended into women's D1 hockey. I know our club games were always intense and hard fought.
Hockeydad4two
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Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
I agree with everything you say. However, have you considered who's budget that money would probably come from? I don't know of any coach that would be for giving up money from their budget to support another sport that probably wouldn't be able to support itself.
I agree with everything you say. However, have you considered who's budget that money would probably come from? I don't know of any coach that would be for giving up money from their budget to support another sport that probably wouldn't be able to support itself.
Re: CC, Den, Mich etc. Why no D-1 womens hockey???
Another team that should probably go at least to the D3 level is Lindenwood University out of St. Louis. Their Club Team record last season was 43-0-1 ( http://achahockey.org/standings.php?league_id=1064&schedule_id=34028 ) and their roster indicates that they obviously recruit from all over ( http://achahockey.org/team_roster.php?team_id=13198&league_id=1064 ) including many Canadians.
Another team that should probably go at least to the D3 level is Lindenwood University out of St. Louis. Their Club Team record last season was 43-0-1 ( http://achahockey.org/standings.php?league_id=1064&schedule_id=34028 ) and their roster indicates that they obviously recruit from all over ( http://achahockey.org/team_roster.php?team_id=13198&league_id=1064 ) including many Canadians.