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Cars
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bigblue_dl
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Re: Cars
It is rare that I find a car that I can wear my hat in, in fact, I don't think I've ever found one. My truck on the other hand, its no problem.
I believe I'm exempt, since I have a 3/4 ton truck, not a light truck. Thank Parise.
It is rare that I find a car that I can wear my hat in, in fact, I don't think I've ever found one. My truck on the other hand, its no problem.
bigblue_dl
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Re: Cars
Mine should be above it. With that massive diesel block up front. Actually, it should easily be above it, I'm thinking about 7500lbs. curb weight. The stupid part is its only rated at about 18,000lbs towing, I've done 30,000 and she pulls it like a champion.
bigblue_dl
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Re: Cars
Yeah, I'd think so. The more emissions equipment and ever expanding cabs are just adding weight. That's good, makes it easier to tow with the extra weight in the truck, don't get pushed around by the trailer as much.
hockeyplayer1015
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USDOT is awesome at under-rating the towing capacity of vehicles. My crossover can haul 2200 kg in Europe (just over 4900 lbs), but in the US? 2200 lbs. I have heard of people on a VW forum who hauled ~6000 lbs from AZ to FL (car on a flatbed trailer).
USDOT is awesome at under-rating the towing capacity of vehicles. My crossover can haul 2200 kg in Europe (just over 4900 lbs), but in the US? 2200 lbs. I have heard of people on a VW forum who hauled ~6000 lbs from AZ to FL (car on a flatbed trailer).
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well, they probably figure that a lot of idiots are going to want to push that limit and then some. So they set it down low enough that they're not really overtaxing the vehical when they're over the towing capacity. Plus, it could be a way to write more tickets as well perhaps. Oversized load maybe.
bigblue_dl
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Most of the idiots on the road shouldn't be hauling at the true capacity of the vehicle, that doesn't mean the vehicle should be rated lower for those of us that actually know how to tow. Well, it doesn't really matter, the towing ratings are just there to be ignored, they mean nothing. Also pickup "payload" ratings are BS, and even worse is when some ******* at a place like Home Depot or Menards won't let you leave the yard with more than what they think is the limit. We've had 6000lbs in the back of the truck before, while towing a 20,000 fertilizer wagon, no problems. But the dumbass kid at Home Depot won't let ya leave with more than 2000 pounds of landscaping rock.
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St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: Cars
I'm willing to bet that they start inching up the size of vehicles that get impacted by these rules eventually. They won't do it because it's the smart thing to do. They'll do it because they can.
bigblue_dl
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I don't think they will. I think they have other targets at this point. I expect fuel economy regulations to be brought down on Class A trucks before they go after pickups, because there is a bunch more meat on the bone there. (for the record, I'm in favor of tighening Class A fuel economy standards, we are already way ahead of the game there, and any restrictions would only result in an even large market share)
Twitch Boy
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Re: Cars
At the risk of cheesing off EVERYONE in the thread...
No Twitch, you cannot have the Gixxer 1000 sitting in the parking lot. You would get dead within a week.
At the risk of cheesing off EVERYONE in the thread...
No Twitch, you cannot have the Gixxer 1000 sitting in the parking lot. You would get dead within a week.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Cars
Tell him it's not his job to question it, it's his job to load the d@mn truck and let you worry about driving it around.
Most of the idiots on the road shouldn't be hauling at the true capacity of the vehicle, that doesn't mean the vehicle should be rated lower for those of us that actually know how to tow. Well, it doesn't really matter, the towing ratings are just there to be ignored, they mean nothing. Also pickup "payload" ratings are BS, and even worse is when some ******* at a place like Home Depot or Menards won't let you leave the yard with more than what they think is the limit. We've had 6000lbs in the back of the truck before, while towing a 20,000 fertilizer wagon, no problems. But the dumbass kid at Home Depot won't let ya leave with more than 2000 pounds of landscaping rock.
Tell him it's not his job to question it, it's his job to load the d@mn truck and let you worry about driving it around.
bigblue_dl
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That doesn't work. We had 4 guys (this is back in high school, doing some landscaping for a buddy's mom), so we pulled out of the backlot, unloaded the blocks on the sidewalk right next to the guardshack (with 4 of us it didn't take that long), turned around, got another load and re-loaded the first bunch right in front of the dumbass. He was ****ed, and told us that we couldn't haul that much, my buddy basically told him to shut the **** up and get out of our way.
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Of course, CAFE standards being what they are, even if they do expand the rules to larger trucks, you'd still be able to buy that truck - so long as your company of choice sells enough hybrid roller skates to bring up its fleetwide average.
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USDOT has nothing to do with specifying tow rating- that all comes from the OEMs. Most of the rating is based on cooling capacity, if the car will maintain a specific speed over a specific grade at a very elevated temperature.
USDOT has nothing to do with specifying tow rating- that all comes from the OEMs. Most of the rating is based on cooling capacity, if the car will maintain a specific speed over a specific grade at a very elevated temperature.
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6000lb was the cut off for Federal light duty, but now it matches with California's 8500lb GVW as the official change between light duty and medium to heavy duty rules.
And ALL vehicles have emissions rules applied to them- for about 2 decades now. And they continue to get lower.
On top of that, the new GHG rules also will apply to all new vehicles, regardless of what size and weight class they go into. What the targets will be depends on a lot of things, and allows for a nicely sliding scale- depending on size.
Lots of new rules coming- LEVIII for green states, Tier3 (which is this new CO2 limit rule), and Euro V, VI, and VII. Euro VII is one of the more interesting to me- unless someone comes up with some major advancement, diesles in small cars- Camry/Fusion and smaller- will only be part of the premium brands. It's just going to be way to expensive to meet the rule for diesels, whereas the benefits of gas direct injection is pretty darned good- especially for the cost.
6000lb was the cut off for Federal light duty, but now it matches with California's 8500lb GVW as the official change between light duty and medium to heavy duty rules.
And ALL vehicles have emissions rules applied to them- for about 2 decades now. And they continue to get lower.
On top of that, the new GHG rules also will apply to all new vehicles, regardless of what size and weight class they go into. What the targets will be depends on a lot of things, and allows for a nicely sliding scale- depending on size.
Lots of new rules coming- LEVIII for green states, Tier3 (which is this new CO2 limit rule), and Euro V, VI, and VII. Euro VII is one of the more interesting to me- unless someone comes up with some major advancement, diesles in small cars- Camry/Fusion and smaller- will only be part of the premium brands. It's just going to be way to expensive to meet the rule for diesels, whereas the benefits of gas direct injection is pretty darned good- especially for the cost.
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Not really- the new rules are size specific. And no credits for small cars to big trucks. Which is actually much better for the OEM's since they won't be losing money selling cars nobody wants to meet a CAFE target.
(and the new rules pretend to be CAFE, but will be brought in with the gas emissions rules, which makes a WHOLE lot more sense, when you know how the system is measured....)
Not really- the new rules are size specific. And no credits for small cars to big trucks. Which is actually much better for the OEM's since they won't be losing money selling cars nobody wants to meet a CAFE target.
(and the new rules pretend to be CAFE, but will be brought in with the gas emissions rules, which makes a WHOLE lot more sense, when you know how the system is measured....)
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Well, kid probably knows you could have moved that much at once, just company policy or all that jazz. A lawyer probably pointed out the fact that OMG, Home Depot could get sued by some idiot who overloads his vehicle, be it a truck, minivan or SUV, and then that would cost HD a whole lot of money. Thus, they set a limit down low enough to prevent some idiots overloading his minivan and then say have his minivan's breaks go out because he's got ton more of weight in the vehicle than what the breaks are recommended for, or something like that. And just to make it easy for everybody there to remember, especially while training Skippy there for the yard, they just set the limit for pretty much all vehicles, even if it is a full ton truck.Most of the idiots on the road shouldn't be hauling at the true capacity of the vehicle, that doesn't mean the vehicle should be rated lower for those of us that actually know how to tow. Well, it doesn't really matter, the towing ratings are just there to be ignored, they mean nothing. Also pickup "payload" ratings are BS, and even worse is when some ******* at a place like Home Depot or Menards won't let you leave the yard with more than what they think is the limit. We've had 6000lbs in the back of the truck before, while towing a 20,000 fertilizer wagon, no problems. But the dumbass kid at Home Depot won't let ya leave with more than 2000 pounds of landscaping rock.
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They wouldn't be sued by the idiot who overloads his vehicle, they'd be sued by the family of the person who got killed by the idiot who overloads his vehicle.
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