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The ST reminds me of one of the fun cars of my misspent youth.
Not mine...I just always wanted one! :)

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Never seen it before. Though, if we're talking fast cars that were little ****boxes...

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Stupid thing.

Whatever, look up a picture of an Omni GLH-S.

Oh yeah -- Shelby fun car.

BTW, the one I posted is/was a Lotus Cortina. There was a British Leyland dealership near where I grew up. I walked past it every day on my way to high school. Comstock Racing was on the other side of our subdivision. It's no wonder I grew up a road racing fan!
 
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The ST reminds me of one of the fun cars of my misspent youth.
Not mine...I just always wanted one! :)

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Top Gear approved the 2011 model ST.

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not to pick nits but the test is of the old focus ST which had a 2.5 litre 4 cyl turbo, vs the new ST which has a 2.0 litre, 247 HP turbo. Also the new car has some sort of system to counteract torque steer, which is I suspect something to do with the brakes. I'm torn on the recaro's, kind of a lot of money. Not sure they are that much more supportive than the stock buckets.
 
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Torque steer is generally an issue with substantial power in front wheel drive apps. A lot of power to the front drive shaft tends to create a directional steering pull.
 
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Manual transmissions make up only 6.5% of new car sales in the United States.

http://moneyland.time.com/2012/08/02/last-gasp-for-the-stick-shift/?iid=pf-main-lede&hpt=hp_t3

bb_dl might be interested in this campaign, though for Save the Manuals! (link taken from within the other article)
Hell yes. Real men drive manuals.

When I bought my truck, which was 4 years ago, mine was the only one they could find in the 5 state region with a stick. And that's a 3/4 ton, diesel truck, something that should commonly come with a stick.
 
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Recently replaced a six speed manual vehicle with an auto. The six speed had a very nice, slick shifter. For me, it depends entirely on the vehicle. For sports cars I've owned in the past I always preferred a manual transmission...trucks, a SUV or your typical sedate type passenger car, personal preference is for the automatic. Possible exception for the sport compact category.

Not too long ago the vast majority of factory shifters sucked. Had several manual trans. Mustangs and installed aftermarket short throw billet shifters in each...a vast improvement. Probably these days I'd go with an auto stick or paddles even in a sports / muscle car. Still something to be said for revving, letting the clutch fly and making some smoke...occasionally. Fun.
 
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Recently replaced a six speed manual vehicle with an auto. The six speed had a very nice, slick shifter. For me, it depends entirely on the vehicle. For sports cars I've owned in the past I always preferred a manual transmission...trucks, a SUV or your typical sedate type passenger car, personal preference is for the automatic. Possible exception for the sport compact category.

Not too long ago the vast majority of factory shifters sucked. Had several manual trans. Mustangs and installed aftermarket short throw billet shifters in each...a vast improvement. Probably these days I'd go with an auto stick or paddles even in a sports / muscle car. Still something to be said for revving, letting the clutch fly and making some smoke...occasionally. Fun.
If people that drive Tauruses and Camries don't want sticks, whatever. I'll never drive one of those, so I don't care. But trucks should have sticks, real trucks that is. No exceptions.
 
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If people that drive Tauruses and Camries don't want sticks, whatever. I'll never drive one of those, so I don't care. But trucks should have sticks, real trucks that is. No exceptions.
Not for me. I drove a truck for years for the purpose of towing. Boats, utility trailers, campers. I personally definitely did not want a manual for most of those uses. Most definitely not at the boat launch. I drove a wrecker for a number of years...manual that went through clutches frequently with it's standard duty use.
 
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Not for me. I drove a truck for years for the purpose of towing. Boats, utility trailers, campers. I personally definitely did not want a manual for most of those uses. Most definitely not at the boat launch. I drove a wrecker for a number of years...manual that went through clutches frequently with it's standard duty use.
I've towed with both, and I'll take a stick 100% of the time. There is a reason that 99% of class A trucks have manual transmissions. Torque converters are the ****ing devil when you have 30,000+ lbs behind a 3/4 ton pickup.
 
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I've towed with both, and I'll take a stick 100% of the time. There is a reason that 99% of class A trucks have manual transmissions. Torque converters are the ****ing devil when you have 30,000+ lbs behind a 3/4 ton pickup.
Class A trucks haul very heavy loads and have manual transmissions built to handle the load. They're huge. They do need those ultra low gears for climbing grades with a load on. But I don't drive anything like that. I don't think I ever pulled 30,000 lbs. Half that was more typical and autos for those applications are actually often heavier / beefier and stronger than the manuals available as stock. You can fortify the auto for extreme use...including the TC, like the drag cars do for 1000 HP or more. You can put a heavy clutch in a manual too that will greatly extend their life in extreme conditions. They're not much fun in stop & go traffic. I put a couple s'chargers on two different Mustangs which fried the factory clutches in a week. You won't get away with a 100+ HP power adder on a factory clutch for long. I just have no wish to nurse a clutch for smooth extraction of a 15,000 pound boat at a steep launch with the hidden submerged pits you often run into. Both Mercedes and Cummins diesels have excellent low end torque for that type of use connected to an automatic that functions well. Haven't had a manual truck now since 1997 and that shifter sucked with very long throws ans a general vagueness per finding 3rd vs. 5th. Maybe they're improved nowadays.
 
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Hell yes. Real men drive manuals.

When I bought my truck, which was 4 years ago, mine was the only one they could find in the 5 state region with a stick. And that's a 3/4 ton, diesel truck, something that should commonly come with a stick.
NMUKat82's car (Chevy Cobalt) is a manual. Saved her at least a grand compared to the same car in an automatic.

The service managers at the Chevy Dealership in the area can't drive her car. Every time we go to the place where she bought it to get it serviced, they make her (or I) walk to the back lot where the completed serviced cars are parked, instead of bringing it to the front of the building like they do for every other customer.

Outside of the rural/farming areas, driving a manual transmission is a dying art. Especially in large metro areas where "convenience" is the main reason they push automatics.
 
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Class A trucks haul very heavy loads and have manual transmissions built to handle the load. They're huge. They do need those ultra low gears for climbing grades with a load on. But I don't drive anything like that. I don't think I ever pulled 30,000 lbs. Half that was more typical and autos for those applications are actually often heavier / beefier and stronger than the manuals available as stock. You can fortify the auto for extreme use...including the TC, like the drag cars do for 1000 HP or more. You can put a heavy clutch in a manual too that will greatly extend their life in extreme conditions. They're not much fun in stop & go traffic. I put a couple s'chargers on two different Mustangs which fried the factory clutches in a week. You won't get away with a 100+ HP power adder on a factory clutch for long. I just have no wish to nurse a clutch for smooth extraction of a 15,000 pound boat at a steep launch with the hidden submerged pits you often run into. Both Mercedes and Cummins diesels have excellent low end torque for that type of use connected to an automatic that functions well. Haven't had a manual truck now since 1997 and that shifter sucked with very long throws ans a general vagueness per finding 3rd vs. 5th. Maybe they're improved nowadays.
Yeah, I understand. I drove a class A for 3 years in high school. There is a huge difference between a 15,000lb load and 30,000lb load, behind a pickup. Torque converters just slip, while you rev up the engine while you can start in a super-low 1st without any clutch slip, or easing into it, and get the thing started moving. There's a reason they have super-low, it is for your boat landing situation, you wouldn't have to baby my clutch at a boat landing if you did it right.
 
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I'm definitely in the manual camp, but I'm getting pickier in middle age. My biggest beef these days (car-related) is less with clutch takeup and shift throws and more with throttle response.

In an industry full of cheap tricks, this has to be one of the cheapest. Sell a "sporty" version of a model not by offering a larger engine (gots to keep those economy averages up) but, instead, by pairing a manual trans with insanely quick throttle response. It shouldn't require my complete attention just to avoid chirping the tires at every traffic light. That's a test-drive-ender for me. I'm not 16 any more. :rolleyes:
 
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Another trick utilized for that throttle response affect is a higher performance (bigger) throttle body with larger venturi(s). I used to install them with the objective of improving throttle response. They work well for that purpose. Changes in the intake tract, airflow...fuel injection etc. for improved throttle response are other common tricks of manufacturers. I never was much for burning rubber with the expense of replacing performance tires, but I always liked quick throttle response. Still Do.

My beef back in the day was the manufacturer selling the car when they had tons of better / performance components sitting on the shelf that bolt right on. Of course they wanted you to buy all those after buying the car. I did.
 
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