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Cardinal/Panther Classic '11

Re: Cardinal/Panther Classic '11

Having been at the games today, here are my personal observations:

Elmira's game-tying goal was probably the only one out of all 5 (out of shootout) that I don't feel was directly influenced by a referee. I don't know about Plattsburgh's goal, but I really felt as though the ref had blown that whistel before the puck crossed the line, and then changed his mind. (I'm a Plattsburgh townie, and I will admit that). But the Amherst's tying goal was a 5x3ppg after 2 RIDICULOUS calls. Last time I checked, it is not tripping if you have control of the puck on the end of your stick...

As for the other game. Wow, a personal best performance by Mike St. Louis. For those who didn't see it: Elmira D goes to pass it behind the net, and St. Louis (who was behind the net for whatever reason) skates backwards into the path of the pass. It bounces off his leg, onto the stick of a Middlebury skater on the open side of the net. I've heard that he did express his apologies to the Elmira team and coach, and that he reported to goal to the scorekeeper as "Son of a b****. Give the goal to 26, and the assist to me." And the rulebook does state that play cannot be stopped simply because the puck made contact with an official. But I wouldn't want any team I support to score like that, and I CERTAINLY don't want them getting scored on like that.

<strike>To top it off, St. Louis followed that up about 2 minutes later by blowing the whistle while the puck was still clearly loose (and based on his vantage point, he should have seen it was loose), disallowing an Elmira goal to tie it up right there in the 1st. Yeah Mike, real sorry, eh?</strike>

As I said, the game-tying goal was good. Probably the best offensive play I saw all day. Great tic-tac-toe play on a breakout from the defensive zone, culminating in a perfectly-placed backhander top shelf. Wonderful to see. As for the game winner in OT... Elmira should have been down 5x3 at that point, with the blatant trippings they were getting away with in the 2 minutes leading up to that goal. But I suppose if the ref gave Middlebury the goal that prevented an Elmira regulation win, it's only fitting that their no-calls gave Elmira the opportunity to score the game-winner in overtime. :)

All-in-all, both games were an absolute showcase in how to defend. Having not arrived until the 3rd period of the first game (I was at work), I will only make comments about the overall play by the 2 teams in the late game... I though both Elmira and Middlebury played phenomenally in the defensive zone, and both goalies absolutely played fantastic when called upon. On the offense, it's tough to say how much of this was because of the other team's defensive play, but it seemed as though the teams lost some ability to communicate as soon as they crossed the blue line into the offensive zone. However, I thought that Elmira played much better Neutral zone defense than Middlebury, and consequently faired much better on the breakout from the defensive zone. This is exactly how Elmira scored their game-tying goal, and consequently was the real difference-maker between these two great teams.


And just in case anyone missed it: Elmira/Amherst will be the EARLY game (3pm) tomorrow, and Plattsburgh/Middlebury will be the NIGHT game. This is because Middlebury is in session for classes, and the student-athletes will be expected to be in class tomorrow before returning to Plattsburgh for the night game. Remember, they are students before they are athletes. WIRY will only have the call for the Plattsburgh game.


EDIT: I'm listening to the WIRY delayed broadcast at the moment. I've stricken my comment about the disallowed goal. I did not realize, from my vantage point behind the goal at that time, that Bloom's helmet had come off in the play. If there is one safety rule I most agree with in this game, it is the rule that play stops immediately if a helmet comes off. Fair enough.
 
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Re: Cardinal/Panther Classic '11

Hats off to Trot's et. al. and the Elmira video crew for arranging the webcast of the Elmira/Midd game. Many of us appreciated you McGyvering the system to bring us the game.

Can we expect the same tomorrow?

Be a Shame if the Championship game is only available on Live Stats...
 
Re: Cardinal/Panther Classic '11

Having been at the games today, here are my personal observations:

Elmira's game-tying goal was probably the only one out of all 5 (out of shootout) that I don't feel was directly influenced by a referee. I don't know about Plattsburgh's goal, but I really felt as though the ref had blown that whistel before the puck crossed the line, and then changed his mind. (I'm a Plattsburgh townie, and I will admit that). But the Amherst's tying goal was a 5x3ppg after 2 RIDICULOUS calls. Last time I checked, it is not tripping if you have control of the puck on the end of your stick...

As for the other game. Wow, a personal best performance by Mike St. Louis. For those who didn't see it: Elmira D goes to pass it behind the net, and St. Louis (who was behind the net for whatever reason) skates backwards into the path of the pass. It bounces off his leg, onto the stick of a Middlebury skater on the open side of the net. I've heard that he did express his apologies to the Elmira team and coach, and that he reported to goal to the scorekeeper as "Son of a b****. Give the goal to 26, and the assist to me." And the rulebook does state that play cannot be stopped simply because the puck made contact with an official. But I wouldn't want any team I support to score like that, and I CERTAINLY don't want them getting scored on like that.

<strike>To top it off, St. Louis followed that up about 2 minutes later by blowing the whistle while the puck was still clearly loose (and based on his vantage point, he should have seen it was loose), disallowing an Elmira goal to tie it up right there in the 1st. Yeah Mike, real sorry, eh?</strike>

As I said, the game-tying goal was good. Probably the best offensive play I saw all day. Great tic-tac-toe play on a breakout from the defensive zone, culminating in a perfectly-placed backhander top shelf. Wonderful to see. As for the game winner in OT... Elmira should have been down 5x3 at that point, with the blatant trippings they were getting away with in the 2 minutes leading up to that goal. But I suppose if the ref gave Middlebury the goal that prevented an Elmira regulation win, it's only fitting that their no-calls gave Elmira the opportunity to score the game-winner in overtime. :)

All-in-all, both games were an absolute showcase in how to defend. Having not arrived until the 3rd period of the first game (I was at work), I will only make comments about the overall play by the 2 teams in the late game... I though both Elmira and Middlebury played phenomenally in the defensive zone, and both goalies absolutely played fantastic when called upon. On the offense, it's tough to say how much of this was because of the other team's defensive play, but it seemed as though the teams lost some ability to communicate as soon as they crossed the blue line into the offensive zone. However, I thought that Elmira played much better Neutral zone defense than Middlebury, and consequently faired much better on the breakout from the defensive zone. This is exactly how Elmira scored their game-tying goal, and consequently was the real difference-maker between these two great teams.


And just in case anyone missed it: Elmira/Amherst will be the EARLY game (3pm) tomorrow, and Plattsburgh/Middlebury will be the NIGHT game. This is because Middlebury is in session for classes, and the student-athletes will be expected to be in class tomorrow before returning to Plattsburgh for the night game. Remember, they are students before they are athletes. WIRY will only have the call for the Plattsburgh game.


EDIT: I'm listening to the WIRY delayed broadcast at the moment. I've stricken my comment about the disallowed goal. I did not realize, from my vantage point behind the goal at that time, that Bloom's helmet had come off in the play. If there is one safety rule I most agree with in this game, it is the rule that play stops immediately if a helmet comes off. Fair enough.

Thanks for this Cards...we had no idea what happened on the Elmira GA. It was difficult to pick up on the webcast.

Appreciate your insights.
 
Re: Cardinal/Panther Classic '11

Hats off to Trot's et. al. and the Elmira video crew for arranging the webcast of the Elmira/Midd game. Many of us appreciated you McGyvering the system to bring us the game.

Can we expect the same tomorrow?

Be a Shame if the Championship game is only available on Live Stats...

Thanks, 5-4.

It was actually the Middlebury video crew who connected us to fasthockey, but just the same, glad you were all able to enjoy it.

Still unsure about what the deal is for tomorrow. I don't see why we wouldn't be able to do the same.
 
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Thanks, 5-4.

It was actually the Middlebury video crew who connected us to fasthockey, but just the same, glad you were all able to enjoy it.

Still unsure about what the deal is for tomorrow. I don't see why we wouldn't be able to do the same.

Hats off to the Middlebury crew then... :cool:

EDIT: Because it's still early in the West I listened to the WIRY tape delay of the Elmira/Midd game. Rob and Ducky didn't disapoint.
I heard them mention that I might not be too happy that they wouldn't be covering the Championship game tomorrow...tell them their right.
 
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Re: Cardinal/Panther Classic '11

Having been at the games today, here are my personal observations:

Elmira's game-tying goal was probably the only one out of all 5 (out of shootout) that I don't feel was directly influenced by a referee. I don't know about Plattsburgh's goal, but I really felt as though the ref had blown that whistel before the puck crossed the line, and then changed his mind. (I'm a Plattsburgh townie, and I will admit that). But the Amherst's tying goal was a 5x3ppg after 2 RIDICULOUS calls. Last time I checked, it is not tripping if you have control of the puck on the end of your stick...

As for the other game. Wow, a personal best performance by Mike St. Louis. For those who didn't see it: Elmira D goes to pass it behind the net, and St. Louis (who was behind the net for whatever reason) skates backwards into the path of the pass. It bounces off his leg, onto the stick of a Middlebury skater on the open side of the net. I've heard that he did express his apologies to the Elmira team and coach, and that he reported to goal to the scorekeeper as "Son of a b****. Give the goal to 26, and the assist to me." And the rulebook does state that play cannot be stopped simply because the puck made contact with an official. But I wouldn't want any team I support to score like that, and I CERTAINLY don't want them getting scored on like that.

<strike>To top it off, St. Louis followed that up about 2 minutes later by blowing the whistle while the puck was still clearly loose (and based on his vantage point, he should have seen it was loose), disallowing an Elmira goal to tie it up right there in the 1st. Yeah Mike, real sorry, eh?</strike>

As I said, the game-tying goal was good. Probably the best offensive play I saw all day. Great tic-tac-toe play on a breakout from the defensive zone, culminating in a perfectly-placed backhander top shelf. Wonderful to see. As for the game winner in OT... Elmira should have been down 5x3 at that point, with the blatant trippings they were getting away with in the 2 minutes leading up to that goal. But I suppose if the ref gave Middlebury the goal that prevented an Elmira regulation win, it's only fitting that their no-calls gave Elmira the opportunity to score the game-winner in overtime. :)

All-in-all, both games were an absolute showcase in how to defend. Having not arrived until the 3rd period of the first game (I was at work), I will only make comments about the overall play by the 2 teams in the late game... I though both Elmira and Middlebury played phenomenally in the defensive zone, and both goalies absolutely played fantastic when called upon. On the offense, it's tough to say how much of this was because of the other team's defensive play, but it seemed as though the teams lost some ability to communicate as soon as they crossed the blue line into the offensive zone. However, I thought that Elmira played much better Neutral zone defense than Middlebury, and consequently faired much better on the breakout from the defensive zone. This is exactly how Elmira scored their game-tying goal, and consequently was the real difference-maker between these two great teams.


And just in case anyone missed it: Elmira/Amherst will be the EARLY game (3pm) tomorrow, and Plattsburgh/Middlebury will be the NIGHT game. This is because Middlebury is in session for classes, and the student-athletes will be expected to be in class tomorrow before returning to Plattsburgh for the night game. Remember, they are students before they are athletes. WIRY will only have the call for the Plattsburgh game.


EDIT: I'm listening to the WIRY delayed broadcast at the moment. I've stricken my comment about the disallowed goal. I did not realize, from my vantage point behind the goal at that time, that Bloom's helmet had come off in the play. If there is one safety rule I most agree with in this game, it is the rule that play stops immediately if a helmet comes off. Fair enough.

Cards - This is a very accurate accounting. It is a shame that the officiating had such an impact on both games. Don't know if results would have been different, but it is a shame that we will never know. In the second game it was obvious that one of the refs did not know about the new icing rule.....while they finally got the call right after a lengthy discussion, play should have never been stopped. How can these clowns not know the new rules. They are paid way to much for their lazy skating around the ice in great quality games. IT RUINS THE SPORT!!!!

Hopefully, someone responsible for watching these crews was at this tournament and will recommend to the NCAA that they need much better quality officiating in womens hockey.

That being said, 4 really good teams that I expect to see at the NCAA's this year. Two overtime games, and I would not be surprised to see that again today. Let's hope the officiating today matches the talent of these 4 teams!!
 
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I watched both games yesterday and the officiating was deplorable. The women who invest so much of their collegiate time and soul in the sport deserve soooooooooooo much more. When the level of competition is so even at this level it is shameful the impact the refs have. Respect for the game demands the NC$$ upgrade their on ice contribution!
 
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I see in today's Press-Republican article by Courtney Lewis a quote by Coach Houle that he was upset with the officiating. The bottom line here is the coaches of these elite teams have to step up and refuse to put up with this nonsense! I know they are afraid of retribution or getting a rep as whiners, but they are the ones that need to have the cajones to demand better refs. We have all said the same thing for years and nothing is accomplished by us babbling on USCHO. The coaches are the ones in a position to engender change and unless they invest some energy we will all continue to suffer the outcome of these contest determined by the caprice of the clowns in stripes. The sport of hockey really deserves way better, eh?
 
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Agree with Cards_Rule....deplorable officiating. My husband is at the games and said it is absolutely embarrasing how lazy the officiating crews appear. On the Middlebury goal, my husband said all St. Louis had to do was lift his foot to let the puck slide by on the D to D simple reverse behind the net. No effort was made on his part at all! Glad to hear the ref recognized what a Donky he is! Such a shame that this is what the women's side gets. Good luck to all today, maybe the refs will perform on par with the wonderful players!
 
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I will say this to those saying that it is a shame that the women get this kind of officiating:

I've seen every one of those officials at countless Men's games. St. Louis is loudly booed every time he is announced as an official for a Plattsburgh Men's game (which seems to occur rather frequently). In fact, I believe St. Louis will be officiating one of the games again today, and it will be his 4th game in 4 days at the Stafford Ice Arena, after the Men's team hosted their holiday tournament Friday-Staurday.

So as much as the officiating sucked, this has absolutely nothing to do with any neglect by the ECAC or NCAA towards the women's sport. (which is not to say that there is no such neglect)
 
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I see the Championship tilt between Elmira & Amherst is up on Fasthockey.com if anyone is interested. 3:00 PM EST puck drop.
 
Re: Cardinal/Panther Classic '11

End of 2 in Plattsburgh.

Amherst:1
Elmira:0

Geneva Lloyd with the lone goal for the Lord Jeffs on the PP.

Sullivan has 11 saves for Elmira and Hu has 10 saves for Amherst.

Sounds like a neutral zone battle. Trots? any comments, especially on how goal happened? and has officiating been better today?

Also, are you going to be at the men's game tomorrow? I'll be there.
 
Re: Cardinal/Panther Classic '11

End of 2 in Plattsburgh.

Amherst:1
Elmira:0

Geneva Lloyd with the lone goal for the Lord Jeffs on the PP.

Sullivan has 11 saves for Elmira and Hu has 10 saves for Amherst.

Sounds like a neutral zone battle. Trots? any comments, especially on how goal happened? and has officiating been better today?

Also, are you going to be at the men's game tomorrow? I'll be there.

Officiating seemingly better. St. Louis has a different partner today.

You're right about the neutral zone battle. No team has had control of the puck too long. Amherst had the puck in the Elmira zone for about 4 straight minutes early in the first but got only one shot out of it. Second period had a little more flow and tested Hu and Sully a bit more.

And yes, I will be here.
 
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Amherst goal: Lloyd stopped the puck on one knee middle of the ice on the point off an attempted Elmira clear on the PK. Took a slapper on the ice to Sully's right and it squeaked past the post.
 
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Thanks for doing that for me Prez lol

Didn't get much of a feeling of urgency from the Elmira crew until the last 30 seconds really. This tournament has been something so far. Shot blocking all over the place, solid goaltending. As good as advertised, if you're a hockey purest like yours truly ;)
 
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Thanks for doing that for me Prez lol

Didn't get much of a feeling of urgency from the Elmira crew until the last 30 seconds really. This tournament has been something so far. Shot blocking all over the place, solid goaltending. As good as advertised, if you're a hockey purest like yours truly ;)
Always one step ahead of my Plattsburgh breathren ;)
 
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