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Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order

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bigblue_dl said:
Several posters have taken that incorrect line of thinking. They're wrong, but fail to comprehend that they are.
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Hopefully this weekend does Scooby, Maize Rage, and others some good. May their teams win and they spend some time outdoors getting fresh air or whatever else relaxes them. Holding on to so much anger and bitterness over something that is out of their control is not good for them.
 
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Drew S. said:
Hopefully this weekend does Scooby, Maize Rage, and others some good. May their teams win and they spend some time outdoors getting fresh air or whatever else relaxes them. Holding on to so much anger and bitterness over something that is out of their control is not good for them.
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Is that before or after my parents medical insurance is gutted?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/gop-insiders-to-trump-leave-the-policy-to-paul-ryan-231216

There's the GOP saying leave the policy to Paul Ryan.

So awesome. It's like half the country had no ****ing clue what they were doing on Tuesday. It's beyond fantastic.
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They got what they wanted. The GOP is laughing their butt off cause Trump wont prevent them from doing anything. Unfettered control...they did so well with it last time :rolleyes:
 
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Growing up in Trump Town
The globalization of markets in the 1990s and the absence of care for our 50 public education systems ensured that droves of uneducated people in small factory and farm towns spread across the entirety of the nation would become uneducated people in small towns without steady work. Public education reform mostly doesn’t come at the federal level and electing a new president won’t spark it; due to our individualized school systems, it comes at the state level. North Carolina, now able to begin recovering from Pat McCrory setting us back 20 years on the social timeline, ranks 47th in average teacher pay; Florida got its convoluted system from a **** Jeb Bush napkin doodle; Louisiana can’t find a penny for its K-12 system. Anyone who expected these communities to spontaneously become educated might be more foolish than the Trump voters.

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These towns, these churches, and these people, are not all looking to have a logical discussion with you about how wrong they are about abortions and gay rights. They’re struggling to find consistent work, still behind in obtaining secondary education and thus catching up with the progressive wave, and have now, in response to feeling threatened and forgotten, elected one of the most horrifying candidates in American presidential history as their response. The “coastal elites” that originated from these places knew years ago that we lived in towns capable of picking such a candidate; now, everyone knows how that feels. Welcome to Trump Town.
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Good article but, as with anything on Deadspin, the comments are good as well:
At the root of your story and at the root of all stories of crumbling small towns in rural America is education. And here’s the thing about that (which you acknowledged above): people in these communities have acted and voted against their best interests and against increasing access to, and money for, education.

As has been said before: it’s difficult to feel bad for people who actively vote against their self-interests. Though it’s easy to see their motivations, when these communities blame others for their losses (be it immigrants or African Americans or politicians), it’s impossible to empathize. Because when other disenfranchised groups complain (about systemic racism and other disenfranchisement), those valid complaints go completely unrecognized and unacknowledged by white rural Americans who have been perpetuating those iniquities.

Which leads me back to education. It’s hard to see this with any logic without familiarity with, well, logic. Though I can see how the church and groupthink actively work to befuddle, all it takes is a few people applying reason (and education - it helps to see the ways in which history repeats itself) to realize that the sentient cheeto dust bumbling his way into county’s the highest office isn’t going to help your community into prosperity.
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And therein lies the problem with "Dems need to court these people!" The only thing you can tell them is the truth, their factories/mills/mines aren't coming back, we can provide jobs in massive public works projects on our infrastructure, no African-Americans nor Hispanics nor "the Gays" are to blame for your troubles. Like has been stated, yeah the Dems can help them and are willing to listen, but they need to recognize the world has changed and we can't go back.
 
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The electoral college didn't cause this. It is not the problem. There's also a very good reason for it.
 
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Hey Scooby did you hear about St. Thomas. Someone used the N-word in graffiti :/ (they had protests today)

Students at South High walked out and are protesting...I student taught at that school it is almost exclusively minority. Good for them!

What the hell is going on...
 
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Still relevant. Even today.

For a price I'd do about anything
Except pull the trigger
For that I'd need a pretty good cause
Then I heard of Dr. X
The man with the cure
Just watch the television
Yeah, you'll see there's something going on

Got no love for politicians
Or that crazy scene in D.C.
It's just a power mad town
But the time is ripe for changes
There's a growing feeling
That taking a chance on a new kind of vision is due

I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Revolution calling you
[There's a] Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push, gotta push it on through

I'm tired of all this bull****
They keep selling me on T.V.
About the communist plan
And all the shady preachers
Begging for my cash
Swiss bank accounts while giving their
Secretaries the slam

They're all in Penthouse now
Or Playboy magazine, million dollar stories to tell
I guess Warhol wasn't wrong
Fame fifteen minutes long
Everyone's using everybody, making the sale

I used to think
That only America's way, way was right
But now the holy dollar rules everybody's lives
Gotta make a million doesn't matter who dies

Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Revolution calling you
[There's a] Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push, gotta push it on through

I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Revolution calling you
[There's a] Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push, gotta push it on through
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ScoobyDoo said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/gop-insiders-to-trump-leave-the-policy-to-paul-ryan-231216

There's the GOP saying leave the policy to Paul Ryan.

So awesome. It's like half the country had no ****ing clue what they were doing on Tuesday. It's beyond fantastic.
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Immigration and equality issues aside, I'd be far more comfortable with Trump making policy than I would with Ryan. That guy wants to destroy every social safety net this country has, and give all that money to the rich.
 
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And from the second paragraph in that article:

In constructing its factory town, the Cannon family funded the building of a police department, a post office, schools, churches, and mill houses on surrounding land.
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Funded a police force. Homes for their workers. A community as it were. Because these business owners realized that they were a community, their fortunes rose and fell with teach other. Together.

That's the huge lesson that today's corporatist America has forgotten, or just ignores outright. Now it's every man out for themselves, and grab yourself the biggest share of the pie you can. Everyone else can, in the words of Donald Trump, "go fuk themselves".
 
rufus said:
And from the second paragraph in that article:



Funded a police force. Homes for their workers. A community as it were. Because these business owners realized that they were a community, their fortunes rose and fell with teach other. Together.

That's the huge lesson that today's corporatist America has forgotten, or just ignores outright. Now it's every man out for themselves, and grab yourself the biggest share of the pie you can. Everyone else can, in the words of Donald Trump, "go fuk themselves".
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And also the article talks about how they continuously rejected unionization as well.

I can have empathy for the people in these situations as I'm in a similar boat but I can't be sympathetic because they've done all they can to put themselves in this situation as well.
 
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New York Times editor asks why Dems would put Black, Muslim Congressman as DNC head in face of Trumpism

And again, the winners are in the comments:
Here’s the thing though. Democrats did. I reposted this all over the place today, but it bears repeating.

Democrats have TONS of programs to help people out. Under the Obama administration, more than 15 government agencies have executed coordinated efforts in about 1,800 communities nationwide. HERE’S a map of what that looks like. Programs like the Promise Zones. Many of these have been very successful. The opportunities are there. Granted, none of these plans are perfect, and they don’t address each and every community… The GOP has done **** all.

America is still the No. 2 manufacturing country in terms of overall output and percentage of our GPD. Unemployment is super low and the economy is pretty good already. Its not that their jobs aren’t coming back, its that their SPECIFIC jobs are not coming back to the EXACT geographic location as where they were before.

The country is just bigger, more automated and and there are a **** ton more of us. Its not that anyone has been left behind. Things just change like they always do. Economically depressed areas shift location, depending on what year it is, and what the industry is. Clean coal? Never coming back. For good reason. That’s not called getting left behind. That’s the inevitable march of time.

The Democrats offer the only realistic help for them. Sure, both parties contributed to these problems (arguable equally) but Dems are the only ones with a realistic way out. The Republicans just lie. Republicans gutted these communities. By actively suppressing a higher minimum wage so that the existing jobs are more economically viable, failing to support affordable housing and cheaper education. Eroding the **** out of tax bases and failing to support a higher income tax for top earners. The only reason people blame the Democrats for their problems is because we’re so ****ing condescending. But that’s a two way street. You can only explain so many times that we need to raise the minimum wage to a room full of people who mistakenly believe that will hurt business.

Clinton didn’t do a great job of addressing specific economically depressed regions, but her plans were in place too. Some people just aren’t going to listen.
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Jimjamesak said:
Some people just aren’t going to listen.
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That's it in a nutshell.

We on the left need to be forward-looking and constructive. That's our strong suit: we've got the training as analytical thinkers and the education to understand all that has come before, what has worked, what hasn't. We need to listen to our think tanks, advocate for good policy, and connect up for people how our policies are better for them than the alternative.

The right will do none of this. Reactionary by nature ("standing athwart progress yelling 'halt!'), and irrational in its current incarnation, it will continue its same strategy of demonizing The Other and frightening people into voting for them. All well and good. When they lie, respond calmly but firmly and call them on it.

When it comes to elections, remember that although we are the reality-based community and our policies are the result of thinking and empirical testing, most people in the electorate vote emotionally. Be smart. Don't nominate a gargoyle of the establishment in an anti-establishment year. If the hemline is bombast, find some flamboyant hood ornament who can rock a crowd. Thatt will be especially easy now because the GOP IS THE ESTABLISHMENT (lotsa luck there, sparky). If camo is in, put up a fruit-salad decorated vet. Be smart. This doesn't mean we change a thing about the nuts and bolts of policy -- we just market it as Happy Fun Ball! rather than With A Name Like 10,000 Nuns and Orphans. Play the game.
 
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So if private insurance didn't want to cover the bottom 30%...why will it want to cover the elderly? Health insurance makes uuge money by cherry picking the healthy. Either the companies will walk away or insurance hikes would break every last elderly while melting down and flushing every penny in their bank account down the toilet.
 
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