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Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
A Canadian.
A Canadian.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
Okay. Can someone give me the cliff notes version of why Ted Cruz can run for President, yet everyone said Jennifer Granholm couldn't?
Because I'd vote for Jenny long before I'd vote Hillary. And I lean Dem.
Okay. Can someone give me the cliff notes version of why Ted Cruz can run for President, yet everyone said Jennifer Granholm couldn't?
Because I'd vote for Jenny long before I'd vote Hillary. And I lean Dem.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
Because Granholm was in charge of Michigan during one of the worst recessions in state history?
Not that I think Cruz is any better. He's probably going to implode between now and the end of primary season.
Because Granholm was in charge of Michigan during one of the worst recessions in state history?
Not that I think Cruz is any better. He's probably going to implode between now and the end of primary season.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
They say it's because his parents were both American citizens, and according to the Naturalization Act of 1790, that makes him a natural born citizen. http://legisworks.org/sal/1/stats/STATUTE-1-Pg103.pdf
The UK has a similar law, but only on the father's side, which means Obama was actually a natural born British citizen having been born in Kenya.
They say it's because his parents were both American citizens, and according to the Naturalization Act of 1790, that makes him a natural born citizen. http://legisworks.org/sal/1/stats/STATUTE-1-Pg103.pdf
The UK has a similar law, but only on the father's side, which means Obama was actually a natural born British citizen having been born in Kenya.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Well, Engler set that mess up.
Honestly, maybe it's the fact that I was nine, but Blanchard was the last "good" governor. I do thank the explanation Flag. I couldn't remember if Jenny had an American parent or not, but knew Cruz's situation was similar (but not identical).
Foxton
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
It'll be horrifying to see the continued gong show that'll be the parade of republican candidates until they settle on some corporate talking head who's white and rich enough to unite the base.
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It'll be horrifying to see the continued gong show that'll be the parade of republican candidates until they settle on some corporate talking head who's white and rich enough to unite the base.
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
Some claim McCain was similar, but because he was born in the Canal zone, at the time that was considered to be a U.S. territory.
Well, Engler set that mess up.
I do thank the explanation Flag. I couldn't remember if Jenny had an American parent or not, but knew Cruz's situation was similar (but not identical).
Some claim McCain was similar, but because he was born in the Canal zone, at the time that was considered to be a U.S. territory.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
I'd actually have bet the farm that the first black major party nominee would have been a Republican. Had it not been for the historical accident of Hillary, I'd have said the same for a woman. In each case, the candidate would have been cookie cutter with the same policies, but they would have expected to get a windfall simply through identity politics.
In the event, it didn't happen. With Cruz (Rubio would be the better choice) they've got one last shot for Hispanics. Again, were it not for the historical accident of the Bush Dynasty, they probably would have made it.
I'd actually have bet the farm that the first black major party nominee would have been a Republican. Had it not been for the historical accident of Hillary, I'd have said the same for a woman. In each case, the candidate would have been cookie cutter with the same policies, but they would have expected to get a windfall simply through identity politics.
In the event, it didn't happen. With Cruz (Rubio would be the better choice) they've got one last shot for Hispanics. Again, were it not for the historical accident of the Bush Dynasty, they probably would have made it.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
Quick summary re: Cruz. I take the message that although on the face of it he seems like an obvious grifter in the mold of a Palin or Gingrich, there is a little more to worry us here -- Cruz has the hallmarks of a guy who is after not the profit from power (Palin) or the trappings of power (Gingrich) but the power itself. What would he do with it if he had it? Literally, god knows -- stripped of the monotonous righty rhetoric, he channels his dad's hardcore Dominionism. Even though our democratic institutions are still strong enough to withstand that, it would be extremely unpleasant to have somebody with that mindset close to the button.
Quick summary re: Cruz. I take the message that although on the face of it he seems like an obvious grifter in the mold of a Palin or Gingrich, there is a little more to worry us here -- Cruz has the hallmarks of a guy who is after not the profit from power (Palin) or the trappings of power (Gingrich) but the power itself. What would he do with it if he had it? Literally, god knows -- stripped of the monotonous righty rhetoric, he channels his dad's hardcore Dominionism. Even though our democratic institutions are still strong enough to withstand that, it would be extremely unpleasant to have somebody with that mindset close to the button.
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
Or perhaps that's the plan all along, and is one of the stones towards creating a full on police state.
Or perhaps that's the plan all along, and is one of the stones towards creating a full on police state.
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
Cruz is the real deal and being underestimated at everyone's own peril. He's a true believer, and that's going to shine through in the debates. You can't outrun him to the right. Really, Huckleberry and Santorum might as well go home. Two guys who finished a close second in 2008 and 2012 but died due to lack of funds. Cruz isn't going to have that problem and I wonder who's going to beat him in the geographic base of the party, the South.
Put the Dems aside for a moment. The problem in political pundidiotry now is they're all 60 or 70 year old white males, who think the country is dying for another Bush candidacy.
Because the last one turned out so well. 
A Hispanic fire breather born in Canada? No way the Republicans nominate him. Not so fast I say. Bush has little rank and file support. He's a country club candidate. If Cruz can knock out Rand Paul in Iowa, have a decent showing in New Hampshire (not really his turf) and then win South Carolina, he's in real good shape. Florida goes to Bush of course, but after that his job is to keep banking wins or close seconds until the Southern dominated Super Tuesday primary.
Cruz is the real deal and being underestimated at everyone's own peril. He's a true believer, and that's going to shine through in the debates. You can't outrun him to the right. Really, Huckleberry and Santorum might as well go home. Two guys who finished a close second in 2008 and 2012 but died due to lack of funds. Cruz isn't going to have that problem and I wonder who's going to beat him in the geographic base of the party, the South.
Put the Dems aside for a moment. The problem in political pundidiotry now is they're all 60 or 70 year old white males, who think the country is dying for another Bush candidacy.
Because the last one turned out so well. A Hispanic fire breather born in Canada? No way the Republicans nominate him. Not so fast I say. Bush has little rank and file support. He's a country club candidate. If Cruz can knock out Rand Paul in Iowa, have a decent showing in New Hampshire (not really his turf) and then win South Carolina, he's in real good shape. Florida goes to Bush of course, but after that his job is to keep banking wins or close seconds until the Southern dominated Super Tuesday primary.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
I think the belief that there is an overarching conspiracy is extremely optimistic. It posits that someone has a plan and is in control.
There is no plan. Nobody is in control. It is far more scary than you imagine.
I think the belief that there is an overarching conspiracy is extremely optimistic. It posits that someone has a plan and is in control.
There is no plan. Nobody is in control. It is far more scary than you imagine.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
Doesn't happen a lot, but you are I are in 100% agreement on this. You may want to examine your assumptions.
Cruz has a talk show host's gift of using everything as rhetorical fuel for his Wall Of Stupid. The CBO projects contraction? The Demoncrats are destroying America and must be stopped! The CBO projects expansion? The debt is about to unleash hyperinflation and must be stopped! He is very slick but he undercuts the possible criticism of seeming "too smart" by tacking hard into herpa-derp fundy country. And through it all he can lie right to your face. Once you can fake sincerity, you can fake anything.
Cruz is the real deal and being underestimated at everyone's own peril. He's a true believer, and that's going to shine through in the debates. You can't outrun him to the right. Really, Huckleberry and Santorum might as well go home. Two guys who finished a close second in 2008 and 2012 but died due to lack of funds. Cruz isn't going to have that problem and I wonder who's going to beat him in the geographic base of the party, the South.
Put the Dems aside for a moment. The problem in political pundidiotry now is they're all 60 or 70 year old white males, who think the country is dying for another Bush candidacy.
Doesn't happen a lot, but you are I are in 100% agreement on this. You may want to examine your assumptions.
Cruz has a talk show host's gift of using everything as rhetorical fuel for his Wall Of Stupid. The CBO projects contraction? The Demoncrats are destroying America and must be stopped! The CBO projects expansion? The debt is about to unleash hyperinflation and must be stopped! He is very slick but he undercuts the possible criticism of seeming "too smart" by tacking hard into herpa-derp fundy country. And through it all he can lie right to your face. Once you can fake sincerity, you can fake anything.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
Oh no, there's a plan. It's a group of people in control. The key is finding the flaws and exposing the group.
Plenty of hints are abound, but are kept quiet by the messenger. The first people Hitler went after were the messengers. Once they're gone, it's over.
Oh no, there's a plan. It's a group of people in control. The key is finding the flaws and exposing the group.
Plenty of hints are abound, but are kept quiet by the messenger. The first people Hitler went after were the messengers. Once they're gone, it's over.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
Insofar as there's a group, it's the super-rich. Insofar as there's a plan, it's to bribe government officials to protect their wealth.
That's it. It's nothing more complicated than that. It's resulted in, what, about 80M people controlling as much wealth as the rest of the 8B on the planet? It works really, really well.
It doesn't take an X-Files conspiracy, it just takes payola. It's so simple anyone can understand it. I owe 10 million dollars in taxes, so I pay 1 million in bribes to keep from paying anything.
Now rinse and repeat in every government all over the planet. There isn't even collaboration between any two fraudsters -- it's an Invisible Hand of Corruption, a free market where everyone is acting in his own personal interest. The middle men get rich, the tax cheats stay unimaginably rich, everybody else gets screwed.
Parsimony dictates a preference for this theory over any conspiracy.
Insofar as there's a group, it's the super-rich. Insofar as there's a plan, it's to bribe government officials to protect their wealth.
That's it. It's nothing more complicated than that. It's resulted in, what, about 80M people controlling as much wealth as the rest of the 8B on the planet? It works really, really well.
It doesn't take an X-Files conspiracy, it just takes payola. It's so simple anyone can understand it. I owe 10 million dollars in taxes, so I pay 1 million in bribes to keep from paying anything.
Now rinse and repeat in every government all over the planet. There isn't even collaboration between any two fraudsters -- it's an Invisible Hand of Corruption, a free market where everyone is acting in his own personal interest. The middle men get rich, the tax cheats stay unimaginably rich, everybody else gets screwed.
Parsimony dictates a preference for this theory over any conspiracy.
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WaPo is looking at Clinton alternatives. Surprisingly (or not) it thinks Liz is the alternative.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...0f540a-d155-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html
If Mrs. Clinton does not run, are the Democrats looking at a 1968 nominee gap?
WaPo is looking at Clinton alternatives. Surprisingly (or not) it thinks Liz is the alternative.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...0f540a-d155-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html
If Mrs. Clinton does not run, are the Democrats looking at a 1968 nominee gap?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
This is a great question. Let's imagine for a moment that Hillary had a serious heart attack -- and survived, happily, but... end of prospects. Next man up is ... ?
(BTW, wasn't HHH considered a strong Dem player throughout the 60s? I never heard his 68 nomination described as scrambling to put anybody on the ticket.)
My guesses in no particular order:
+ Handsome Joe
+ Warner
+ Webb
This is a great question. Let's imagine for a moment that Hillary had a serious heart attack -- and survived, happily, but... end of prospects. Next man up is ... ?
(BTW, wasn't HHH considered a strong Dem player throughout the 60s? I never heard his 68 nomination described as scrambling to put anybody on the ticket.)
My guesses in no particular order:
+ Handsome Joe
+ Warner
+ Webb
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Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?
I'm very amused at the cottage industry of Clinton alternatives when she's up double digits on all comers. When Bush II was running in 2000, and up on Gore by 15 points in a hypothetical early matchup, I just don't remember the press speculating on what would happen if he dropped out. Liberal bias my arse.
I've never been a fan of Doonesbury (sp?) but I recall a funny panel from 1992 that reminds me of this current speculation. For you young 'uns, that election was basically over by summer. Bush I and the GOP were tired after having been in office for 12 years, he was taking fire from all sides (Dems, Perot, and Pitchfork Pat Buchanon), and the country was ready for a change. So Doonesbury runs a cartoon around convention time where a reporter is saying how it looks like 4 straight GOP terms and the Dems heading for an embarrasing 3rd place finish, when suddenly somebodys says "oh sh !t that cartoon was from 4 months ago. Quick, run some Quayle stuff". The point being the washington post and others are speculating an an alternate reality that's not in the here and now. If Hill's approval ratings or double digit leads start falling then we can talk. In the meantime its all nonsense. There's no alternatives in the wings because she's the better than even money to be the next President, which kinda tends to keep other would be serious candidates (Warren, Cuomo, Biden) on the sidelines.
I'm very amused at the cottage industry of Clinton alternatives when she's up double digits on all comers. When Bush II was running in 2000, and up on Gore by 15 points in a hypothetical early matchup, I just don't remember the press speculating on what would happen if he dropped out. Liberal bias my arse.
I've never been a fan of Doonesbury (sp?) but I recall a funny panel from 1992 that reminds me of this current speculation. For you young 'uns, that election was basically over by summer. Bush I and the GOP were tired after having been in office for 12 years, he was taking fire from all sides (Dems, Perot, and Pitchfork Pat Buchanon), and the country was ready for a change. So Doonesbury runs a cartoon around convention time where a reporter is saying how it looks like 4 straight GOP terms and the Dems heading for an embarrasing 3rd place finish, when suddenly somebodys says "oh sh !t that cartoon was from 4 months ago. Quick, run some Quayle stuff". The point being the washington post and others are speculating an an alternate reality that's not in the here and now. If Hill's approval ratings or double digit leads start falling then we can talk. In the meantime its all nonsense. There's no alternatives in the wings because she's the better than even money to be the next President, which kinda tends to keep other would be serious candidates (Warren, Cuomo, Biden) on the sidelines.
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