Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

[5mn_Major]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

There are doctors out west who are refusing patients because their parents have not had them vaccinated and refuse to allow the doctor to do so. They've really turned political lately. I know there's a public health concern, but the couple doctors I've known have just highly advised them and then shook their heads at the refusals, but this turning away patients is a whole new level.

I am for personal choice as well. But I see it differently. As a business owner, I should have the right to determine who I serve (and that extends to loud patrons at restaurants and gun carriers at banks). And you as a consumer have the right to boycott me and protest.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

I like that some of the candidates have come out in support of vaccines.

Really, the rule should be, if you want to participate in society, you need to have a vaccine. No exemptions. Period.

Rand Paul seemed to further the myth that it can cause autism.

There are doctors out west who are refusing patients because their parents have not had them vaccinated and refuse to allow the doctor to do so. They've really turned political lately. I know there's a public health concern, but the couple doctors I've known have just highly advised them and then shook their heads at the refusals, but this turning away patients is a whole new level.

I get the idea that vaccination should be a private choice. People of my age make that decision every year. Should I get a flu shot? It certainly makes medical sense to do it, but I'm sure that if the government stepped in and said I didn't have a choice, that might tick me off a little. Where does it stop?

A secondary benefit to making it a free choice issue is that it thins the herd. If you're dumb enough that you just want to go back and live like they did 500 years ago when people were dropping dead from just about everything, good luck to you. But don't come whining to us when you get sick. As others have written elsewhere, there is a reason why mankind developed vaccines. The non-vaccination plan wasn't working too good.

I say let people choose. But if you want your kid to go to our public schools, the kid has to be vaccinated. Otherwise, keep 'em at home and you can teach them. If a doctor or hospital isn't interested in treating those who refuse vaccinations, I have no problem with that. You shouldn't force health care providers to treat people who are refusing to follow reasonable recommendations.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner for doctors to outright advertise that their practice doesn't accept people like that. Or that some dumbass with an R next to their name hasn't started blaming it on Obamacare and death panels trying to cull the special white children. Hurr durr

It's funny that you think it's R's refusing to allow childhood MMR vaccines (and whatever else has come along in the past few years) when the only family I know refusing them is headed up by two Greenies, one of them with a biology degree, which I find ironically funny for some reason.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

I've heard the concept of "it's a personal choice between a patient and their doctor" expressed ad nauseum about another issue with far greater life and death consequences. I wonder if that reasoning will be hewn to in other instances such as this.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

I've heard the concept of "it's a personal choice between a patient and their doctor" expressed ad nauseum about another issue with far greater life and death consequences. I wonder if that reasoning will be hewn to in other instances such as this.

Uh huh.

Somehow I think vaccinations have further reach beyond the two people in the room discussing the other issue you're talking about. But, you go ahead and draw the parallel that isn't there.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

I've heard the concept of "it's a personal choice between a patient and their doctor" expressed ad nauseum about another issue with far greater life and death consequences. I wonder if that reasoning will be hewn to in other instances such as this.

There's a difference when it comes to things like the MMR vaccine as it creates a potential for public health issues due to them being communicable diseases. People not giving their children the MMR vaccine is what led to that big outbreak of measles at Disneyland last month.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

It's funny that you think it's R's refusing to allow childhood MMR vaccines (and whatever else has come along in the past few years) when the only family I know refusing them is headed up by two Greenies, one of them with a biology degree, which I find ironically funny for some reason.

I said nothing about who is actually not getting their children vaccinated, I know that it's mostly hippy vegan organic food only "liberals" doing it. What I said, was that I'm surprised someone from the R camp hasn't picked it up as yet another way to say how horrible obamacare is because doctors are finally getting involved to say no to seeing patients.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

Liberally slanted? Sure. But this nails down Paul Ryan to a T.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/paul-ryan-puts-mask-doesnt-fit?CID=sm_fb_maddow

…Ryan flamboyantly advocated a sweeping budget plan that would have eliminated coverage expansions for the poor, layered on hundreds of billions of dollars in additional cuts in programs benefiting the poor, and in general produced “the largest redistribution of income from the bottom to the top in modern U.S. history and likely increase poverty and inequality more than any other budget in recent times (and possibly in the nation’s history).”

And now Ryan is claiming Obama’s policies increased inequality! There seems to be literally no limit at all to his shamelessness.

 

[joecct]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

There's a difference when it comes to things like the MMR vaccine as it creates a potential for public health issues due to them being communicable diseases. People not giving their children the MMR vaccine is what led to that big outbreak of measles at Disneyland last month.

I was born in 1955 before any vaccines. I got the Mumps, I got Measles. Whole school systems planned around a measles epidemic in the 2nd grade classes, figuring that a swath would be missing classes for two weeks or so. We survived, but having measles was a PITA. I was not a happy camper.

And then there were the chicken pox parties. Some kid got chicken pox and the Moms would bring their kids over to play with the kid so everyone would get chicken pox over and done with - hopefully in the summer.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

I've heard the concept of "it's a personal choice between a patient and their doctor" expressed ad nauseum about another issue with far greater life and death consequences. I wonder if that reasoning will be hewn to in other instances such as this.

This is a public health issue, Bob. These dipsticks can skip their kittens' vaccines all they want -- Darwin's waiting -- as long as they stay the ef away from my loved ones.

But I'll give them this. They may finally earn those FEMA camps they've been masturbating to all these years. Maybe we can brand their kids, too. You know they want it.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

I was born in 1955 before any vaccines. I got the Mumps, I got Measles. Whole school systems planned around a measles epidemic in the 2nd grade classes, figuring that a swath would be missing classes for two weeks or so. We survived, but having measles was a PITA. I was not a happy camper.

And then there were the chicken pox parties. Some kid got chicken pox and the Moms would bring their kids over to play with the kid so everyone would get chicken pox over and done with - hopefully in the summer.

Sure, but we now have vaccines so people - both parents and children - don't have to go through those pains anymore. At the same time, it results in parents not knowing how to treat these sick children and so you're likely to see either a higher mortality rate from the disease than we had in the 1950's or more ER visits, or both. At the same time, doctors have to disinfect their offices when children sick with these diseases come in for visits, which limits the number of patients they can see in that office and thus their earning potential. It's a giant PITA for doctors now to get these patients when parents just come in with a "sick" kid, and they're not prepped for an uncommon and unexpected case of the measles.

 

[GrinCDXX]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

I was born in 1955 before any vaccines. I got the Mumps, I got Measles. Whole school systems planned around a measles epidemic in the 2nd grade classes, figuring that a swath would be missing classes for two weeks or so. The vast majority of us survived, but having measles was a PITA. I was not a happy camper.

And then there were the chicken pox parties. Some kid got chicken pox and the Moms would bring their kids over to play with the kid so everyone would get chicken pox over and done with - hopefully in the summer.

fyp.

 

[unofan]

I've heard the concept of "it's a personal choice between a patient and their doctor" expressed ad nauseum about another issue with far greater life and death consequences. I wonder if that reasoning will be hewn to in other instances such as this.

One creates a direct public health threat by eliminating herd immunity. The other just gets busy body's noses rankled.

Try again

 

[joecct]

Sure, but we now have vaccines so people - both parents and children - don't have to go through those pains anymore. At the same time, it results in parents not knowing how to treat these sick children and so you're likely to see either a higher mortality rate from the disease than we had in the 1950's or more ER visits, or both. At the same time, doctors have to disinfect their offices when children sick with these diseases come in for visits, which limits the number of patients they can see in that office and thus their earning potential. It's a giant PITA for doctors now to get these patients when parents just come in with a "sick" kid, and they're not prepped for an uncommon and unexpected case of the measles.

Back then there was a unique medical procedure known as "house calls".

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

Yes, there were. They're rare now, pretty much only offerred by high-end doctors (well, highly paid doctors) that the average person can't afford these days. If you wanted to start a mobile clinic that still met insurers' reimbursement rates and still turn a profit, I say you give it a go.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

I've heard the concept of "it's a personal choice between a patient and their doctor" expressed ad nauseum about another issue with far greater life and death consequences. I wonder if that reasoning will be hewn to in other instances such as this.

Troll Level: Advanced-Intermediate

 

[Foxton]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

Troll Level: Advanced-Intermediate

Is it really a troll if he's completely serious and trying to compare vaccines to abortion?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

Is it really a troll if he's completely serious and trying to compare vaccines to abortion?

You don't attempt to twist the subject at hand into an abortion debate without intending, at least in part, to kick the hornet's nest and get a reaction.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

There's a difference when it comes to things like the MMR vaccine as it creates a potential for public health issues due to them being communicable diseases. People not giving their children the MMR vaccine is what led to that big outbreak of measles at Disneyland last month.

I'm not saying the two circumstances are exactly the same, obviously.


The usual cast of whingers is out in force. Expected x 10.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Run-HRC? Honest Injun? Gott Mitt Himmel? RyanRubioCruzCrud?

This is a public health issue, Bob. These dipsticks can skip their kittens' vaccines all they want -- Darwin's waiting -- as long as they stay the ef away from my loved ones.

But I'll give them this. They may finally earn those FEMA camps they've been masturbating to all these years. Maybe we can brand their kids, too. You know they want it.

50 million unborns believe their deaths are a public health issue also, and many people agree. You can't dismiss it away nearly that easily.