Campaign 2016 - Primary season! Duck (questions) season!

[Kepler]

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Even more even handed article about Sanders vs Clinton for black voters...

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-17/sanders-can-win-black-voters-away-from-clinton

 

[SJHovey]

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Camile Paglia is as nutty as Kepler, and that's saying something. This is why I fear they stopped handing out weed at Sanders rallies and started handing out peyote!

But you bring up a good point, which is Sanders supporters are as into ridiculous conspiracy theories as the typical Glenn Beck follower. The media is in the tank for Clinton?!?!? Ooookaaayyyyy.....

On a list of, who gets the most kid-glove treatment from the media it goes like this:

1) Marco Rubio. Empty suit. Boring. Got crushed in key debate. Has yet to win a state even in his backyard. But, he's the frontrunner.
2) Bernie Sanders. At least he's won a state. No mainstream coverage of the utter absurdity of his proposals which put Mittens Romney's tax proposals to shame.
3) John Kasich. Getting the Republican Jesus treatment. No mention of anti-women legislation nor being a Gingrich foot soldier. Looks and acts like corpse during debates.
4) Ben Carson. Stories of how nuts he is tend to have a lighthearted chuckle about them. Maybe because he's in no danger of being a serious contender.
5) Ted Cruz. Media does have it out for him because they're in bed with DC politicians who hate the guy.
6) Hillary Clinton. Cottage industry in mainstream media has sprung up to be the one who takes her down. Any fake scandal given front page headlines in NYT or CNN or WaPo - retractions when stories turn out to be false put on page 30, bringing back the days of Judith Miller at the NYT.
7) Donald Trump. Hate the guy all you want, but he gets by far the worst press. No media outlet is in the tank for him, and he's been pronounced politically dead about 9 zillion times by now.

You post this list like having the press hate you is a bad thing. It apparently never strikes anyone that a politician's popularity with the voters is inverse to his or her relationship with the press. If I were a politician, I'd want the press to be in the bag for my opponent.

 

[bronconick]

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Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Him and Craig James, who may have killed 5 hookers while at SMU

 

[Rover]

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You post this list like having the press hate you is a bad thing. It apparently never strikes anyone that a politician's popularity with the voters is inverse to his or her relationship with the press. If I were a politician, I'd want the press to be in the bag for my opponent.

I completely agree with you actually. Its telling the people getting the worst press are the frontrunners. National media is a joke. They still picture themselves as the shaper of public opinion. That ship sailed a looooooong time ago. Trump would in fact be a disaster, but isn't it funny every time to wins a state to see the dumbstruck look on yet another pundit's face, or a whiny newspaper article imploring everyone to back Rubio?

 

[Kepler]

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You post this list like having the press hate you is a bad thing. It apparently never strikes anyone that a politician's popularity with the voters is inverse to his or her relationship with the press. If I were a politician, I'd want the press to be in the bag for my opponent.

A favorable press is still the best. Look at what Dubya was able to accomplish with a lapdog press after 9/11.

But I agree that a negative press is better than no press. Hillary and Bernie face different problems with the press, but Bernie's is worse. Hillary faces a press obsessed with all the faux scandals the opposition has been trying to tag her with for 20 years, partly because they thrive on conflict but partly because of Hillary's own horrendous reactions. Other than at the actual Benghazi!!!1!1 hearing, at which she was superb, her bristeling and lawyering make great hate watching reality TV. Hillary's better than the "conniving girl" the Bachelor always casts for getting eyes on the screen to hiss.

But Bernie's problem is the press either ignores him or treats him as a joke. This comes from the very deliberate moving of the Overton window away from the real left (which just happens to correspond to the corporate media's immediate financial stakes and its 1% owners' ideology). Public and leftist media is of course completely in the bag for Bernie, but those reach about 85 people in Berkeley who are all already on his campaign team. The Gen Pop never hears anything about Bernie except when one of the candidates make a snide aside.

(Bernie's other problem is, of course, that's he's Bernie. If he had Trump's swagger or Obama's eloquence he'd be in a lot better shape, and in fact liberals need to study this campaign for the next few years and actively recruit and groom candidates who are great both on the issues and optically, just as the far right did through the 90's).

The prissy condescension at liberals by a few posters here is just a reflection of the national media Conventional Wisdom, because those folks learned the lesson that if you speak seriously and non-jokingly about the systemic unfairness of the American economic system you get marginalized and then you don't get the nice promotion to the corner office. That's why real change always comes outside the establishment. There is a reason why Trump and Sanders are, as somebody put so well, "sipping from the same soda with different straws." They are both appealing to those who recognize the system isn't actually broken -- it's working exactly as designed.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I completely agree with you actually. Its telling the people getting the worst press are the frontrunners. National media is a joke. They still picture themselves as the shaper of public opinion. That ship sailed a looooooong time ago. Trump would in fact be a disaster, but isn't it funny every time to wins a state to see the dumbstruck look on yet another pundit's face, or a whiny newspaper article imploring everyone to back Rubio?

It's also the national press that has made Trump so strong. The level of free media that he's gotten since his campaign started is off the charts. And, I disagree his coverage has all been bad. He's had a lot of good coverage and a lot of free passes.

 

[Kepler]

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Him and Craig James, who may have killed 5 hookers while at SMU

Let's not forget that Glenn Beck may have raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

I'm just asking the question.

 

[geezer]

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7) Donald Trump. Hate the guy all you want, but he gets by far the worst press. No media outlet is in the tank for him, and he's been pronounced politically dead about 9 zillion times by now.

It's interesting that you point out Trump is getting the worst treatment in the press. I always figured he's getting exactly what he wants out of them when he goes on his "outrageous" rant of the day, and they're all happy to play along and give him the free press he's after because he gives them a tingle up the leg. I picture Trump and all the big media executives yukking it up over brandies every evening at the club.

 

[Rover]

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It's interesting that you point out Trump is getting the worst treatment in the press. I always figured he's getting exactly what he wants out of them when he goes on his "outrageous" rant of the day, and they're all happy to play along and give him the free press he's after because he gives them a tingle up the leg. I picture Trump and all the big media executives yukking it up over brandies every evening at the club.

I agree that they're feeding off each other, but its less that they're in cahoots and more that Trump is far smarter than the people covering him and he's playing the media like a harp from hell. He knows his comments will generate coverage, but its the media who thinks widespread coverage will lead to his demise. Instead the opposite has happened.

 

[geezer]

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I agree that they're feeding off each other, but its less that they're in cahoots and more that Trump is far smarter than the people covering him and he's playing the media like a harp from hell. He knows his comments will generate coverage, but its the media who thinks widespread coverage will lead to his demise. Instead the opposite has happened.

In the age of reality TV addictions, we all knew this is where we were headed in lieu of wisdom and dignity. Ladies and gentlemen, President Donald J. Trump.

 

[Rover]

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In the age of reality TV addictions, we all knew this is where we were headed in lieu of wisdom and dignity. Ladies and gentlemen, President Donald J. Trump.

I have more faith in the American people than that!

The only thing that might be a problem is sanctimonious Sanders supporters picking up their bong, I mean, ball and going home. Is anybody else sick of this subset of people making the same tired arguments about how the Global Corporate Oligarchy is beaming signals into our heads and anybody not joining the cult is on the other side? I can't figure out where Bernieworld ends and the X-Files begins?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I have more faith in the American people than that!

The only thing that might be a problem is sanctimonious Sanders supporters picking up their bong, I mean, ball and going home. Is anybody else sick of this subset of people making the same tired arguments about how the Global Corporate Oligarchy is beaming signals into our heads and anybody not joining the cult is on the other side? I can't figure out where Bernieworld ends and the X-Files begins?

I don't. They elected W twice. That's all I need to know.

 

[geezer]

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I have more faith in the American people than that!

The only thing that might be a problem is sanctimonious Sanders supporters picking up their bong, I mean, ball and going home. Is anybody else sick of this subset of people making the same tired arguments about how the Global Corporate Oligarchy is beaming signals into our heads and anybody not joining the cult is on the other side? I can't figure out where Bernieworld ends and the X-Files begins?

Maybe you're not asking me, unless you've forgotten my earlier pledges of support for Bernie, but I see it as more a long-overdue dose of honesty and breath of fresh air. It's just sad that his personal frailty was exposed in the last debate, and his chance at the nomination put to rest.

 

[Kepler]

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The only thing that might be a problem is sanctimonious Sanders supporters picking up their bong, I mean, ball and going home. Is anybody else sick of this subset of people making the same tired arguments about how the Global Corporate Oligarchy is beaming signals into our heads and anybody not joining the cult is on the other side? I can't figure out where Bernieworld ends and the X-Files begins?

This is the level of rhetoric I expect from a Republican.

 

[Rover]

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Maybe you're not asking me, unless you've forgotten my earlier pledges of support for Bernie, but I see it as more a long-overdue dose of honesty and breath of fresh air. It's just sad that his personal frailty was exposed in the last debate, and his chance at the nomination put to rest.

I'm not talking about Bernie himself, who's better than a lot of his supporters are. To my knowledge he hasn't delved too much into some global corporate-media cabal that's secretly controlling our thoughts and our lives. Or if he has I missed it.

What I'm talking about is every time the guy loses a race or a debate its the same old tired crap. He gets no coverage (really? at this point? Have we EVER had a candidate win NH and NOT get media coverage?). The Corporate Oligarchy fears him!!!! If so, the Corporate Oligarchy apparently doesn't have a lot of actual power as its preferred candidate, Jebbers! paid about 1M per vote that he ended up receiving before he mercifully ended his campaign. Besides Sanders campaign doesn't lack money.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory (unless you're voting Trump ) and not everybody who questions Sanders proposals sold their soul to our Wall St. overlords in exchange for keeping our minimum wage jobs.

 

[Kepler]

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We need these people at Trump rallies.

(Be sure to blow up the cartoon in the Comments.)

 

[William Blake]

I have more faith in the American people than that!

The only thing that might be a problem is sanctimonious Sanders supporters picking up their bong, I mean, ball and going home. Is anybody else sick of this subset of people making the same tired arguments about how the Global Corporate Oligarchy is beaming signals into our heads and anybody not joining the cult is on the other side? I can't figure out where Bernieworld ends and the X-Files begins?

OK, we get it, you are the undisputed **** poster on the forum. No one is coming for your crown. Can you tone down the rhetoric already?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Moral cripple fight!

I see Beck's case of Nazi Tourette's is as bad as ever.

 

[joecct]

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(Conservative Pundit) @DemsRRealRacist: Look, if we don't nominate OUR empty-suit globalist puppet, we're never going to beat THEIR grasping globalist crone in the general. Period!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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(Conservative Pundit) @DemsRRealRacist: Look, if we don't nominate OUR empty-suit globalist puppet, we're never going to beat THEIR grasping globalist crone in the general. Period!

That's one hell of a Rubio endorsement. No wonder Mitt lost.