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Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an election
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Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
I have not seen him debate. He is an excellent public speaker, which bodes well.
This will be a strange debate, since neither Clinton nor Sanders will be attacking the other. Bernie's candidacy is about forcing the Democratic establishment to deal with inequality rather than sweep it under the rug. He knows he has less than a 10% chance of being the nominee (if Hillary continues to crater then Handsome Joe will most likely jump in) so he is in some ways a Hillary surrogate. I've seen him on Bill Maher and in other appearances go out of his way to compliment Hillary as an excellent candidate. Bernie is, ironically for an Independent, more of a team player than most candidates. He really wants to do what's best for the country, and is thus heavily invested in keeping the jackals out of the White House.
I have not seen him debate. He is an excellent public speaker, which bodes well.
This will be a strange debate, since neither Clinton nor Sanders will be attacking the other. Bernie's candidacy is about forcing the Democratic establishment to deal with inequality rather than sweep it under the rug. He knows he has less than a 10% chance of being the nominee (if Hillary continues to crater then Handsome Joe will most likely jump in) so he is in some ways a Hillary surrogate. I've seen him on Bill Maher and in other appearances go out of his way to compliment Hillary as an excellent candidate. Bernie is, ironically for an Independent, more of a team player than most candidates. He really wants to do what's best for the country, and is thus heavily invested in keeping the jackals out of the White House.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
You gotta admit, the old girl has a point!
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-criticize-bernie-sanders-college-plan-214424
You gotta admit, the old girl has a point!
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-criticize-bernie-sanders-college-plan-214424
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Not really. The obvious rejoinder to her is to means test any free tuition plan, which we should do anyway WITH EVERYTHING. Clinton's statement just muddies the waters and is an easy sound bite, but it doesn't say anything of real value.
You gotta admit, the old girl has a point!
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-criticize-bernie-sanders-college-plan-214424
Not really. The obvious rejoinder to her is to means test any free tuition plan, which we should do anyway WITH EVERYTHING. Clinton's statement just muddies the waters and is an easy sound bite, but it doesn't say anything of real value.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Kep at some point Bernie needs to tell people 1) how much his plans cost, and 2) how he plans on paying for them because center-left voters care about that. If he doesn't do that, conservatives will fill in the blanks for him and I wouldn't trust them to be fair.
You already saw what the Wall Street Journal tried to do to him and his relatively weak response. Expect that times a million from the GOP.
Kep at some point Bernie needs to tell people 1) how much his plans cost, and 2) how he plans on paying for them because center-left voters care about that. If he doesn't do that, conservatives will fill in the blanks for him and I wouldn't trust them to be fair.
You already saw what the Wall Street Journal tried to do to him and his relatively weak response. Expect that times a million from the GOP.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Bernie said that he'd pay for college by placing a per-trade tax on stock and bond trades.
Kep at some point Bernie needs to tell people 1) how much his plans cost, and 2) how he plans on paying for them because center-left voters care about that. If he doesn't do that, conservatives will fill in the blanks for him and I wouldn't trust them to be fair.
Bernie said that he'd pay for college by placing a per-trade tax on stock and bond trades.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
I'd like to see specifics if you have them. How much will tuition plan cost vs how much will be raised by per-trade tax. I'm a finance guy so I'm curious how that works out.
I'd like to see specifics if you have them. How much will tuition plan cost vs how much will be raised by per-trade tax. I'm a finance guy so I'm curious how that works out.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
I'm not a Bernie guy, so I don't care.
I just read about it through a link provided by one of the Bernie-nistas on this site.
I'm not a Bernie guy, so I don't care.
I just read about it through a link provided by one of the Bernie-nistas on this site.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
As for whether or not the GOP will attack, that's moot because no matter what a Democrat proposes the GOP has their same old CUMMUNISM!!!1!! ragegasm.
As for the details, these ideas are hardly new and there are lots of strategy papers and analyses floating around out there. I think it's reasonable for a candidate to say, "I favor these sorts of solutions," with pointers to the adult discussion of the nuts and bolts. The details of the policy will, after all, be negotiated with Congress.
Kep at some point Bernie needs to tell people 1) how much his plans cost, and 2) how he plans on paying for them because center-left voters care about that. If he doesn't do that, conservatives will fill in the blanks for him and I wouldn't trust them to be fair.
As for whether or not the GOP will attack, that's moot because no matter what a Democrat proposes the GOP has their same old CUMMUNISM!!!1!! ragegasm.
As for the details, these ideas are hardly new and there are lots of strategy papers and analyses floating around out there. I think it's reasonable for a candidate to say, "I favor these sorts of solutions," with pointers to the adult discussion of the nuts and bolts. The details of the policy will, after all, be negotiated with Congress.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
We're Sandernistas!
I'm not a Bernie guy, so I don't care.
I just read about it through a link provided by one of the Bernie-nistas on this site.
We're Sandernistas!
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
I still don't care.
We're Sandernistas!
I still don't care.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Kep that's unrealistic. Anything Sanders proposes is going to be labeled as coming with a trillion dollar price tag. He MUST fight back personally against the perception - not point to a think tank or academic study. While I'm sure you don't mean to do this, but you're sounding like the Dukakis campaign's take on how we can rely on the media to sort out the truth. I'm all for free tuition (up to a point depending on income) but I need to know specifically where the money is coming from in order to judge the realism of the proposal.
As I said before, to my knowledge he's had one instance of the lamestream press calling him out on the cost of his proposals, and he didn't handle it very well ('I'll fill in the blanks later' was his reaction IMHO). That's not going to cut it so hopefully he hones that a little better.
PS - I came across Rubio's idea, which is basically indentured servitude! Check it out:
"He expanded on this idea in a speech last year:
Let’s say you are a student who needs $10,000 to pay for your last year of school. Instead of taking this money out in the form of a loan, you could apply for a “Student Investment Plan” from an approved and certified private investment group. In short, these investors would pay your $10,000 tuition in return for a percentage of your income for a set period of time after graduation – let’s say, for example, 4% a year for 10 years.
This group would look at factors such as your major, the institution you’re attending, your record in school – and use this to make a determination about the likelihood of you finding a good job and paying them back.
Unlike with loans, you would be under no legal obligation to pay back that entire $10,000. Your only obligation would be to pay that 4% of your income per year for 10 years, regardless of whether that ends up amounting to more or less than $10,000."
What an idiot.
Kep that's unrealistic. Anything Sanders proposes is going to be labeled as coming with a trillion dollar price tag. He MUST fight back personally against the perception - not point to a think tank or academic study. While I'm sure you don't mean to do this, but you're sounding like the Dukakis campaign's take on how we can rely on the media to sort out the truth. I'm all for free tuition (up to a point depending on income) but I need to know specifically where the money is coming from in order to judge the realism of the proposal.
As I said before, to my knowledge he's had one instance of the lamestream press calling him out on the cost of his proposals, and he didn't handle it very well ('I'll fill in the blanks later' was his reaction IMHO). That's not going to cut it so hopefully he hones that a little better.
PS - I came across Rubio's idea, which is basically indentured servitude! Check it out:
"He expanded on this idea in a speech last year:
Let’s say you are a student who needs $10,000 to pay for your last year of school. Instead of taking this money out in the form of a loan, you could apply for a “Student Investment Plan” from an approved and certified private investment group. In short, these investors would pay your $10,000 tuition in return for a percentage of your income for a set period of time after graduation – let’s say, for example, 4% a year for 10 years.
This group would look at factors such as your major, the institution you’re attending, your record in school – and use this to make a determination about the likelihood of you finding a good job and paying them back.
Unlike with loans, you would be under no legal obligation to pay back that entire $10,000. Your only obligation would be to pay that 4% of your income per year for 10 years, regardless of whether that ends up amounting to more or less than $10,000."
What an idiot.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...bdcdd2-50be-11e5-933e-7d06c647a395_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...bdcdd2-50be-11e5-933e-7d06c647a395_story.html
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
That's classic! I guess she'll be returning that 21M payout that HP gave her to get lost!
Despite all the media's pimping of her, Carly's definitely not ready for prime time. First it was Kasich who was can't miss, then it switched to Carly and now they're onto Rubio. I'm not even counting the Walker media boomlet at the start of all this. Who else is going to get the media kiss of death attention next? Christie?
That's classic! I guess she'll be returning that 21M payout that HP gave her to get lost!
Despite all the media's pimping of her, Carly's definitely not ready for prime time. First it was Kasich who was can't miss, then it switched to Carly and now they're onto Rubio. I'm not even counting the Walker media boomlet at the start of all this. Who else is going to get the media kiss of death attention next? Christie?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Not worth the risk. The music is going to stop with one of these DBs in the nomination chair. Let's try to avoid the more obvious crypto-fascists like Cruz, Christie, and Huckleberry.
Not worth the risk. The music is going to stop with one of these DBs in the nomination chair. Let's try to avoid the more obvious crypto-fascists like Cruz, Christie, and Huckleberry.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Whores and gambling for the donors?
Whores and gambling for the donors?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Psst. Rich people have those anywhere.
Whores and gambling for the donors?
Psst. Rich people have those anywhere.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Great minds think alike! Dems owe Elijah Cummings a big thank you for his stellar work on all these BS committees.
I've always said this about any made up scandal. Why wouldn't you want public hearings if you thought you had the goods on someone? Also, why wouldn't you want hearing as soon as possible if you had any inkling that you had a strong case? Remember when the IRS thing was supposed to take down Obama? I see this one going the same way, especially since we've already had House committees investigating it. At some point, you need to put up or shut up.
Great minds think alike! Dems owe Elijah Cummings a big thank you for his stellar work on all these BS committees.
I've always said this about any made up scandal. Why wouldn't you want public hearings if you thought you had the goods on someone? Also, why wouldn't you want hearing as soon as possible if you had any inkling that you had a strong case? Remember when the IRS thing was supposed to take down Obama? I see this one going the same way, especially since we've already had House committees investigating it. At some point, you need to put up or shut up.
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