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Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an election

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https://youtu.be/ilJ0rDw4dxY

Ya know, I don't think that was really supposed to go on air. A fox host actually points out the ridiculousness of this situation.
 
Kepler said:
When fascism comes to America, it be will carrying a cross and awkwardly head nodding to a lame 80's pop anthem.
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No. It will come dressed in judiciary robes and executive orders.

We have rendered the courts to the level of the Pope - infallible on matters of law. I don't recall them receiving their charge from God.
 
joecct said:
No. It will come dressed in judiciary robes and executive orders.

We have rendered the courts to the level of the Pope - infallible on matters of law. I don't recall them receiving their charge from God.
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Article 3 of the constitution.

They are not last because they are infallible; they are infallible because they are last.
 
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joecct said:
They do make mistakes though. If they do then they can't be infallible.
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But the law is not made up entirely of some defined physical characteristics. It isn't like multiplying 2 x 4 and the answer always has to be 8. Our constitution allows for interpretation and we agree as citizens that the Supreme Court gets to be the final arbiters. If we don't agree on some ending point, we have anarchy. In that regard, they don't really make mistakes and are in fact infallible.
 
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joecct said:
They do make mistakes though. If they do then they can't be infallible.
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Plessy and Brown should tell you all you need to know about infallibility. With the courts, change is *always* possible. It's a nice parallel to science, which is also always open to new evidence.

Only a Sith talks in absolutes.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
But the law is not made up entirely of some defined physical characteristics. It isn't like multiplying 2 x 4 and the answer always has to be 8. Our constitution allows for interpretation and we agree as citizens that the Supreme Court gets to be the final arbiters. If we don't agree on some ending point, we have anarchy. In that regard, they don't really make mistakes and are in fact infallible.
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The SCOTUS has overturned prior SCOTUS rulings, ergo it's not infallible. Plessy v. Ferguson in 1896 and then Brown v. Board of Education in 1954. Clearly the Court reversed a prior ruling, effectively stating that the prior ruling (Plessy) was a mistake.
 
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Kepler said:
When fascism comes to America, it be will carrying a cross and awkwardly head nodding to a lame 80's pop anthem.
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Primarily just in the eyes of atheists. For the other +95% of us, its just every day politics.
 
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For as large and diverse as our country is, culturally, economically, racially, and spiritually, our judicial system does an amazingly good job, IMO. With regard to infallibility, the SCOTUS' observance of stare decisis coupled with its authority to overrule prior decisions wrongly made (Plessy) is about as good a balance of stability and correctability as I am aware of.

If it ever begins to interpret our constitution according to what a majority justices think God ordains, who or whatever their particular perception of God is, we are screwed. And though some disagree, I'd say that if it ever systematically abandons its counter-majoritarian function, we are also screwed.

Wrong thread, I guess.
 
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burd said:
For as large and diverse as our country is, culturally, economically, racially, and spiritually, our judicial system does an amazingly good job, IMO. With regard to infallibility, the SCOTUS' observance of stare decisis coupled with its authority to overrule prior decisions wrongly made (Plessy) is about as good a balance of stability and correctability as I am aware of.

If it ever begins to interpret our constitution according to what a majority justices think God ordains, who or whatever their particular perception of God is, we are screwed. And though some disagree, I'd say that if it ever systematically abandons its counter-majoritarian function, we are also screwed.

Wrong thread, I guess.
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I'm not a super nationalistic guy. But our court system is unmatched and our government is mechanically the world's best. Now whether the outcomes are of that level is up for debate due to the damage inflicted from two party lockdown and special interests.
 
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St. Clown said:
The SCOTUS has overturned prior SCOTUS rulings, ergo it's not infallible. Plessy v. Ferguson in 1896 and then Brown v. Board of Education in 1954. Clearly the Court reversed a prior ruling, effectively stating that the prior ruling (Plessy) was a mistake.
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But it only became a "mistake" after the proper legal channels were followed. Perhaps the point is metaphorical in that since rulings can be changed or overruled they don't prove to be necessarily infallible for all time. But until such a time comes, they are absolute and sure, and choosing to legally disregard them is absolutely not allowed. The manner in which unofan stated it works best for me.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Primarily just in the eyes of atheists. For the other +95% of us, its just every day politics.
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Atheists are probably up to about 20%.

But you're being hair-trigger. My post was a joke reference to the famous Sinclair Lewis (or Upton Sinclair, I mix them up) quote. Chill the poutrage.
 
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joecct said:
No. It will come dressed in judiciary robes and executive orders.

We have rendered the courts to the level of the Pope - infallible on matters of law. I don't recall them receiving their charge from God.
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I don't recall imaginary beings among the three branches of our government.

Judges are only "activist" when they're saying something we disagree with. When they're saying something we like they're wise and adhering to the letter of the Constitution. :p

I'm mostly with you on executive orders, BTW. I have no love for the Imperial Presidency, which is one more reason for Congress to stop whacking off in the corner and start legislating again, but that won't happen until the fever breaks.
 
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