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Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is awful

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The polling station in the little white picket fence dorf I live in does not open until 7:00 a.m., but it was already backed up at that time with numbers I have not seen in 24 years.

I did not see many lurching, simian-browed Trumpsters among them.
 
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burd said:
The polling station in the little white picket fence dorf I live in does not open until 7:00 a.m., but it was already backed up at that time with numbers I have not seen in 24 years.

I did not see many lurching, simian-browed Trumpsters among them.
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Makes you feel kinda good doesnt it :)

Stewart and Colbert
 
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Not much of a line at my polling place at all (at least for my district, another district had a line), but according to one of my friends (who incidentally happens to be of opposite political views), one of the districts was asking for ID, which is not something you are to do in NYS. The friend was able to get the county BOE involved to remedy the situation.
 
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It took me all of 7 minutes to vote. One of the benefits of being in the backwoods. I was however oppressed as they asked me for an ID.

I showed true bipartisanship in my voting today. Since I voted Limberbutt McCubbins for POTUS I wrote in my dog Bailey for State Rep.
 
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Kepler said:
"0700 GA: H +2" means "GA closes at 0700 ET. If it is called for Hillary, she gets 2 points."
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C'mon man!

A Georgia poll closing at 7 (pm) ET would be at 1900 hours ET.
Nevada would be closing at 2200 ET.
 
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LA Times Makes Their Prediction

The only reason I am posting this is because the LA Times Poll is one of the few that ever had Drumpf winning (still did as of yesterday I believe) and one of the few Drumpf trusted. LA Times projects a 352-186 drubbing with Drumpf losing Florida, NC, Ohio and Arizona. My guess is they are skewing their projection based on the high Latino turnout. I dont see any way this happens but maybe they know something the rest of us dont.

I am sticking with just over 300 for Hillary.
 
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SJHovey talked about people who can't see the American dream over the hill.

Well, Mr. Clinton posed a tougher problem a year ago.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/07/l...a-years-left-no-hope-for-white-working-class/

that lower-income whites “don’t have anything to look forward to when they get up in the morning.”
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And that nails it. Talk about all the diversifying demographics all you want; it remains that 72% of Americans are white. Lower income whites (say 36% of the total American population, meaning below the average white income) are disenfranchised with or from this economy. It's not me saying it --- it's William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton.

If you have roughly 1/3 of your population waking up in the morning believing, or knowing (according to Bill), there's nothing there for them you've lost your economic engine. And that's the group Donald J. Trump has spoken too.

But this is where that roughly same 1/3 of the economy will be called "racist" because they support Trump when the real issue is "white, working-class Americans have been left behind over the last eight years*" and "the fact that “84 percent of the American people, after inflation, had not had a raise of 1 cent since the financial crash*.” Those two quotes sound like Trump, but they are Hillary Clinton's husband.

*Both quotes of WJC circa Nov 2015 from http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/07/l...o-hope-for-white-working-class/#ixzz4PQR6DIjK
 
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I was however oppressed as they asked me for an ID.
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Did you have to pay for the ID? That's the core issue with the forced ID. If everyone gets an approved state ID for free, it would be ok. But if you have to pay for it, and that's all you use it for (since it's required), it's a poll tax, which is unconstitutional (24th Amendment).

Not everyone has a driver's license, many people don't drive, many can't afford to drive- so if there is a required ID to vote, it should be a state funded ID.

It's funny how people completely miss the problem with issues like this.
 
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All those working class white folks could have chosen Bernie. Some of them did, but most decided to choose the man who blamed all their problems on blacks, hispanics, and muslims rather than the rich who fight to keep wages down.
 
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alfablue said:
Did you have to pay for the ID? That's the core issue with the forced ID. If everyone gets an approved state ID for free, it would be ok.
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Isn't part of the "state ID" issue (even if free) the concern that some states only want to issue state IDs to folk who can prove citizenship?
 
The Sicatoka said:
SJHovey talked about people who can't see the American dream over the hill.

Well, Mr. Clinton posed a tougher problem a year ago.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/07/l...a-years-left-no-hope-for-white-working-class/



And that nails it. Talk about all the diversifying demographics all you want; it remains that 72% of Americans are white. Lower income whites (say 36% of the total American population, meaning below the average white income) are disenfranchised with or from this economy. It's not me saying it --- it's William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton.

If you have roughly 1/3 of your population waking up in the morning believing, or knowing (according to Bill), there's nothing there for them you've lost your economic engine. And that's the group Donald J. Trump has spoken too.

But this is where that roughly same 1/3 of the economy will be called "racist" because they support Trump when the real issue is "white, working-class Americans have been left behind over the last eight years*" and "the fact that “84 percent of the American people, after inflation, had not had a raise of 1 cent since the financial crash*.” Those two quotes sound like Trump, but they are Hillary Clinton's husband.

*Both quotes of WJC circa Nov 2015 from http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/07/l...o-hope-for-white-working-class/#ixzz4PQR6DIjK
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But the problem is that the elites take three quarters and then warn that the "others" are trying to take the rest of the remaking quarter. Elite Republicans blame the minorities for trying to take what little poor whites have and elite Democrats blame the racist for trying to take what little the minorities have.
 
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alfablue said:
Did you have to pay for the ID? That's the core issue with the forced ID. If everyone gets an approved state ID for free, it would be ok. But if you have to pay for it, and that's all you use it for (since it's required), it's a poll tax, which is unconstitutional (24th Amendment).

Not everyone has a driver's license, many people don't drive, many can't afford to drive- so if there is a required ID to vote, it should be a state funded ID.

It's funny how people completely miss the problem with issues like this.
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If we were serious we'd have a national ID (we could call it, I dunno, a "social security" card) and we'd have national election standards, the end.

At the 250 year mark from the declaration (2026) we should have a rethinking of the differences between the US in the 18th century and a modern country in a global world. Behaving as if the states are still practical sovereigns is ludicrous.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
SJHovey talked about people who can't see the American dream over the hill.

Well, Mr. Clinton posed a tougher problem a year ago.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/07/l...a-years-left-no-hope-for-white-working-class/



And that nails it. Talk about all the diversifying demographics all you want; it remains that 72% of Americans are white. Lower income whites (say 36% of the total American population, meaning below the average white income) are disenfranchised with or from this economy. It's not me saying it --- it's William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton.

If you have roughly 1/3 of your population waking up in the morning believing, or knowing (according to Bill), there's nothing there for them you've lost your economic engine. And that's the group Donald J. Trump has spoken too.

But this is where that roughly same 1/3 of the economy will be called "racist" because they support Trump when the real issue is "white, working-class Americans have been left behind over the last eight years*" and "the fact that “84 percent of the American people, after inflation, had not had a raise of 1 cent since the financial crash*.” Those two quotes sound like Trump, but they are Hillary Clinton's husband.

*Both quotes of WJC circa Nov 2015 from http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/07/l...o-hope-for-white-working-class/#ixzz4PQR6DIjK
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Trump is a racist because he says racist things and promotes racist policies, not because he speaks to the disenfranchised. And he does not speak for the disenfranchised, he speaks for himself now and always has, that much is painfully obvious. He hustles the disenfranchised as he has hustled those with less power than he has all his adult life. His proposed tax policies benefit the 1%, not the 99%.

The disenfranchised deserve our respect and they deserve better than they get. They will get neither from Donald Trump.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Isn't part of the "state ID" issue (even if free) the concern that some states only want to issue state IDs to folk who can prove citizenship?
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Different states have different issues. That was one for sure though especially in the Southwest.

The main issue the Feds really had was the poll tax issue and the fact that many states tried forcing through the laws (in 2012) so close to the election that it would have hindered people's rights to vote. Personally I support the law but enact it tomorrow...not 3 months before the primaries.
 
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Sorry Hovey and Sicatoka,but aren't we ALL supposed to follow Saint Ronnie Reagan's lead and PICK YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS!!! I mean, that's what conservatives believe, right? That's what we were told to do in the 80's, right? So....why doesn't it apply to those poor God-fearin' bigoted rural uneducated folks again? :rolleyes:
 
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burd said:
Trump is a racist because he says racist things and promotes racist policies, not because he speaks to the disenfranchised. And he does not speak for the disenfranchised, he speaks for himself now and always has, that much is painfully obvious. He hustles the disenfranchised as he has hustled those with less power than he has all his adult life. His proposed tax policies benefit the 1%, not the 99%.

The disenfranchised deserve our respect and they deserve better than they get. They will get neither from Donald Trump.
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Bingo. Whats worse is the disenfranchised worship him like people pretended liberals worshiped Obama. Its like watching a Televangelist...right down to him fleecing them.

The man is scum.
 
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burd said:
Trump is a racist because he says racist things ...
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Yes, he has. But don't call the folks that hear and agree with his statements about the economy and jobs "racists".

Trump struck a nerve with the folks that Bill Clinton characterized as "white, working-class Americans" that "have been left behind over the last eight years" and "the fact that “84 percent of the American people, after inflation, had not had a raise of 1 cent since the financial crash.” Folks that Bill Clinton said “don’t have anything to look forward to when they get up in the morning.”

Those folks are doing what Americans have long done: vote their pocketbook; vote the economy.

Bill Clinton surely wouldn't have called them "racists" for that. Frankly Bill said it best: "It's the economy stupid."


(Debate all day about which candidate, both millionaires with Wall Street ties, will do more for that "left behind over the last eight years" American. I say neither will.)
 
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Rover said:
Sorry Hovey and Sicatoka,but aren't we ALL supposed to follow Saint Ronnie Reagan's lead and PICK YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS!!! I mean, that's what conservatives believe, right? That's what we were told to do in the 80's, right? So....why doesn't it apply to those poor God-fearin' bigoted rural uneducated folks again? :rolleyes:
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Yes, but on a level playing field. Come on, you're a hockey fan. You've seen games where you're pretty sure it's 6 on 10 (four of the ten in black and white stripes). That's what SJHovey was saying. (I'm not taking up his argument for him from here. That's on him.)
 
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Voted. I think I actually voted conservative on the Constitutional Amendment.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Yes, he has. But don't call the folks that hear and agree with his statements about the economy and jobs "racists".
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Some of them are. I thought it was now virtuous to be politically incorrect and tell it like it is, or are we not doing that anymore?
 
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