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Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is awful

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The Sicatoka said:
Did she leave the US State Department better than she found it?

As far as I can tell that's the only "CEO" level position she's ever held. I know "people are saying" she's qualified; but can she lead?

During her time as SecState --
Biggest negative: We lost an ambassador during her tenure there. (One of her direct reports came back in a coffin.)
Biggest positive: (I'm listening. Educate me.)


Johnson left NM better than he found it. (But he's a one-trick pony nationally it seems.)
Weld left MA better than he found it.

Heck, Pence and Kaine left IN and VA better than they found them.
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I would say our relations with a lot of countries are better now than they were when she took the position...which is why many of the countries are supporting her now. (outside of Russia)

She helped New York as a Senator...even Giuliani said so before he went crazy. Her record as a Senator is better than most of the clowns the GOP ran.

And great NM is better because of Johnson...that doesnt make him qualified to be President. The guy is a moron.

(sincerely thank you for answering)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Dang.
I was hoping for some of those cool palms and the three color changers are cool too.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/11/07/hillary-clinton-cancels-fireworks-election-night/
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Jesus, some of those Comments:

Anti-racists say there is a RACE problem that can only be solved when
the third world pours into EVERY White country and "assimilates."

What if I said there was a RACE problem that could only be solved if
hundreds of millions of non-Blacks were brought into EVERY Black
country? How long before people realize I'm not talking about a RACE
problem, but the conclusion to the BLACK problem?

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.
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BTW 538 has all 3 creeping back up towards 70% with NC flipping in all of them. Basically the .2% edge Drumpf had flipped to Hillary.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

The Sicatoka said:
Did she leave the US State Department better than she found it?

As far as I can tell that's the only "CEO" level position she's ever held. I know "people are saying" she's qualified; but can she lead?

During her time as SecState --
Biggest negative: We lost an ambassador during her tenure there. (One of her direct reports came back in a coffin.)
Biggest positive: (I'm listening. Educate me.)


Johnson left NM better than he found it. (But he's a one-trick pony nationally it seems.)
Weld left MA better than he found it.

Heck, Pence and Kaine left IN and VA better than they found them.
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Bin-Laden??? You seriously think that was nothing? Or the state dept did nothing for that?

Or Arab-Spring?

Sure, the theory that people can take over their own country has proved to be wrong- as the other side will do anything to prevent it. But they did start a revolution against Syria, Egypt, Libya under her watch. Some worked, others didn't. But the idea that a people can start a revolution without our direct intervention is not a bad thing.

Libya is slowly coming back, Egypt looks to be getting the Muslim Brotherhood out (again)- etc. It's not as if this self governing thing is very easy- especially when you have powers like Russia keeping people in power.

The Iran Nuclear deal is very up for debate, but how it is framed seems to be a good idea to me- not trust and verify as the idea.

And remember, as Sec of State, she was following the President's agenda, which she has pointed out will shift based on what happened.
 
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mookie1995 said:
white people have more in common with colored people than they do with rich people.
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The oldest tool in the plutocrat's belt is divide and enslave. The poor are set against each other on racial or sectarian grounds so they won't unite. Keep them hungry and force some of them to join the police or the military to protect the plutocrats from other poor people.

"Divide and rule is a sound motto. Unite and lead is a better one." -- Goethe
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alfablue said:
Bin-Laden??? You seriously think that was nothing? Or the state dept did nothing for that?

Or Arab-Spring?

... Egypt looks to be getting the Muslim Brotherhood ...
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Bin Laden went from diplomacy (State) to military (Pentagon, DIA, CIA). State was left to clean up the relationships after the military did its thing. So, there is that.

Arab spring is at best net zero at this point. The Muslim Brotherhood got as many wins as the populations. Was it worth it? I'd ask the folks living it in those countries; I won't try to speak for them.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Bin Laden went from diplomacy (State) to military (Pentagon, DIA, CIA). State was left to clean up the relationships after the military did its thing. So, there is that.

Arab spring is at best net zero at this point. The Muslim Brotherhood got as many wins as the populations. Was it worth it? I'd ask the folks living it in those countries; I won't try to speak for them.
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You might want to look again, the Muslim Brotherhood is out. Have been since 2014.

Again, the point of the issue was that revolutions took place- and the attempt was to be non-violent. All of which succeeded except Syria. Libya then fell into a hole of "nobody taking charge".

Plus, MOST of what she inherited as Sec of State was from Bush- which was a mess. So from the time she came into office and out, it's not hard to see improvement in many areas. If you want to just find the bad areas- well, you make that personal choice only to see the negatives.

I, too, think we are better after her 4 years than before.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Did she leave the US State Department better than she found it?
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You're kidding, right? She had to travel the World and explain to all of them that Dick Cheney was an anomaly. A BS job that no one should have ever had to do.
 
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Kepler said:
Just'a good ol' boys / Never meanin' no harm
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Close Kep, but not the most un-PC, offensive t-shirt seen this weekend. Yes, that's an NDSU fan (and they're so over UND) wearing a bastardized new UND Fighting Hawks logo with an American Indian performing an "act" on it. That's right off the NDSU television broadcast Saturday.

So, no Kep, you don't win most offensive t-shirt seen this weekend. (Feel free contact the NDSU president's office at: ndsu.presidents.ofc@ndsu.edu )
 
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why doesn't the president of wellesley college know to say "you're welcome" in reply to a "thank you"?
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Close Kep, but not the most un-PC, offensive t-shirt seen this weekend. Yes, that's an NDSU fan (and they're so over UND) wearing a bastardized new UND Fighting Hawks logo with an American Indian performing an "act" on it. That's right off the NDSU television broadcast Saturday.

So, no Kep, you don't win most offensive t-shirt seen this weekend. (Feel free contact the NDSU president's office at: ndsu.presidents.ofc@ndsu.edu )
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Key-righst, what is it with you people up north? The f-ck happened to "Minnesota Nice"? :eek:

Is it that Winter Is Coming?
 
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Kepler said:
Key-righst, what is it with you people up north? The f-ck happened to "Minnesota Nice"? :eek:

Is it that Winter Is Coming?
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We call them St. Cloud fans. They aren't the brightest.
 
Kepler said:
Key-righst, what is it with you people up north? The f-ck happened to "Minnesota Nice"? :eek:

Is it that Winter Is Coming?
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To be fair, I saw a ton of cars with North Dakota plates and trump stickers at the game in Saturday and as a few of us joked, I bet a lot of the fighting hawks fans dropped by the rally to soothe their souls after Saturday's loss ;)
Before the game, think I'd seen 3-4 trump stickers total. The UND contingent upped that by about a factor of 10
 
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