Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

[Jimjamesak]

I still feel pretty comfortable betting on the technology. I've seen some of the people currently entrusted with that cargo and they aren't exactly astronauts.

Lol, and therein lies the problem, you might be an engineer but you have no clue about actually driving a truck on an actual route.

I work in the air freight industry and right now there could easily be self-loading and unloading planes, heck almost all of them have powered wheels to move pallets around. You know why they don't? Because if that system screws up and nobody is there to stop it you're left with a broken plane costing millions in repairs and lost revenue. Same thing with commercial vehicles. If that automated system goes wrong and there's nobody there to stop it you're down a very expensive truck and a lot of lost product and up some very upset customers.

Engineering will never be able to completely remove the human element from anything.

 

[Kepler]

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Trump is going to have a stroke over this once someone dumbs it down for him:

http://gizmodo.com/ecuador-confirms-it-has-cut-off-julian-assanges-interne-1787949101

Jesus Christ. It looks like EVERYBODY is going to come out of this looking like a first prize menace. Trump, Clinton, Assange, Putin, the State Department, Obama (since the arm-twisting does not get OKed without him) and the government of Ecuador.

This is truly unbelievable. Twenty years from now when we have the truth it's going to be something that transparency and information security advocates mumble about in their sleep.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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No way Kep. Ecuador is in the right here. This dooshnozzle is there at their behest and he's launching tactical nukes at a single candidate from their embassy. Probably with the help of the Russians with the sole purpose of throwing the election. They are absolutely in the right here.

I think one of the comments on the story gets it right:

Here’s the problem: when the organization disseminating that information is no longer about transparency but about blatantly trying to affect the outcome of an election, specifically attacking one party and not the the other, using hacked information from a foreign government which is also attempting to bring about the very same specific election result in said country, it is no longer a mere matter of censorship.

It isn’t what they are releasing that bothers me at all. It is why they are doing it. This is precisely why the Ecuadorian government made the call they did and it was the right one.

 

[Kepler]

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Engineering will never be able to completely remove the human element from anything.

Not everything, but a lot of things. We've probably gotten so good at simulation and Taylor time and motion studies that a first class driver hooked up to a computer will probably give you a pretty decent driver in a year, and one that only gets better as computing power goes up and bandwidth to collect sensor data gets larger.

If a human can do it then by definition a sufficiently advanced machine can do it. We are just very, very advanced blood and semen-based machines. There is no magic.

 

[The Rube]

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The Assange thing is a pure sh*show. This is history, good or bad, but it is history. This is astounding. Holy crap. The story keeps twisting.......

 

[Kepler]

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No way Kep. Ecuador is in the right here. This dooshnozzle is there at their behest and he's launching tactical nukes at a single candidate from their embassy. Probably with the help of the Russians with the sole purpose of throwing the election. They are absolutely in the right here.

I think one of the comments on the story gets it right:

But they only did it when the US stepped in, and that in itself is an act of influence. Assange this week is no different from Assange the last few years. Ecuador didn't object to his firehose before. We need consistency on this. If Assange is disseminating propaganda cooked up by the Kremlin to influence the election then that information should be analyzed and debunked. In that case he is no different than Fox News or any number of propaganda outlets that put made up stuff out there.

When a RWNJ puts b.s. out there we don't shut down the free press, we exposed them as frauds and everybody has a laugh at the dupes who believe them. That should be the way this is handled. These aren't state secrets that can lead to mass casualties, they are embarrassing stories that may or may not be made up. You can't just shut that down. I'm not sure why I even need to explain that.

There are mechanisms for handling libel and slander and lies. They don't include cutting off the purveyor of information's link to publish his information without trial. That way lies madness.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Not everything, but a lot of things. We've probably gotten so good at simulation and Taylor time and motion studies that a first class driver hooked up to a computer will probably give you a pretty decent driver in a year, and one that only gets better as computing power goes up and bandwidth to collect sensor data gets larger.

If a human can do it then by definition a sufficiently advanced machine can do it. We are just very, very advanced blood and semen-based machines. There is no magic.

The question is whether you're willing to put billions of dollars worth of stuff, and in most cases the company itself, in the "hands" of programming. You can ultimately fire a driver that isn't good enough, you can't fire a complex system.

 

[French Rage]

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But they only did it when the US stepped in, and that in itself is an act of influence. Assange this week is no different from Assange the last few years. Ecuador didn't object to his firehose before. We need consistency on this. If Assange is disseminating propaganda cooked up by the Kremlin to influence the election then that information should be analyzed and debunked. In that case he is no different than Fox News or any number of propaganda outlets that put made up stuff out there.

When a RWNJ puts b.s. out there we don't shut down the free press, we exposed them as frauds and everybody has a laugh at the dupes who believe them. That should be the way this is handled. These aren't state secrets that can lead to mass casualties, they are embarrassing stories that may or may not be made up. You can't just shut that down. I'm not sure why I even need to explain that.

There are mechanisms for handling libel and slander and lies. They don't include cutting off the purveyor of information's link to publish his information without trial. That way lies madness.

I agree. Though the counter-argument could be that he is welcome to go elsewhere and use their internet to do it, but Ecuador shouldn't have to foot the bill for his BS. That said, that would work better if they had said that from the start.

 

[MaizeRage]

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There are mechanisms for handling libel and slander and lies. They don't include cutting off the purveyor of information's link to publish his information without trial. That way lies madness.

I suppose that depends on what your definition of "his information" is.

 

[Handyman]

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I still feel pretty comfortable betting on the technology. I've seen some of the people currently entrusted with that cargo and they aren't exactly astronauts.

I still feel pretty comfortable betting those of us that are involved in the industry have infinitely more knowledge on the subject that you do.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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The question is whether you're willing to put billions of dollars worth of stuff, and in most cases the company itself, in the "hands" of programming. You can ultimately fire a driver that isn't good enough, you can't fire a complex system.

The problem with machines is that they break...when that happens you need someone to be able to think critically to take care of it. It is impossible to program every single solution to every single problem that could come up. Truck drivers are not going anywhere, unless we start using rail and/or air to transport goods more....

 

[The Rube]

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I still feel pretty comfortable betting those of us that are involved in the industry have infinitely more knowledge on the subject that you do.

Being in the warehouse industry for 20+ years, I agree with Handy.

 

[Jimjamesak]

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I still feel pretty comfortable betting those of us that are involved in the industry have infinitely more knowledge on the subject that you do.

Agreed. You said it better than me.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I think you guys misjudge just how much money is being put into automated big rigs. The industry is moving that way. If anything having that much experience makes you far less apt to believe it.

In ten years, I don't doubt we'll have entire highways with dedicated systems for it.

 

[Jimjamesak]

I think you guys misjudge just how much money is being put into automated big rigs. The industry is moving that way. If anything having that much experience makes you far less apt to believe it.

In ten years, I don't doubt we'll have entire highways with dedicated systems for it.

And I think you misjudge the amount of importance placed into having someone in the cab in case something goes wrong.

 

[walrus]

I knew about the NY Times/LA Times/Globe. Didn't know about the Worshington papers nor Chi-town. But, I do know the Mpls Star Diaper's bias.

You would know about more media bias if you read the boston globe. Always remember my paper has no bias but yours is a biased rag and everything will be alright

 

[5mn_Major]

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But they only did it when the US stepped in, and that in itself is an act of influence. Assange this week is no different from Assange the last few years. Ecuador didn't object to his firehose before. We need consistency on this. If Assange is disseminating propaganda cooked up by the Kremlin to influence the election then that information should be analyzed and debunked. In that case he is no different than Fox News or any number of propaganda outlets that put made up stuff out there.

When a RWNJ puts b.s. out there we don't shut down the free press, we exposed them as frauds and everybody has a laugh at the dupes who believe them. That should be the way this is handled. These aren't state secrets that can lead to mass casualties, they are embarrassing stories that may or may not be made up. You can't just shut that down. I'm not sure why I even need to explain that.

There are mechanisms for handling libel and slander and lies. They don't include cutting off the purveyor of information's link to publish his information without trial. That way lies madness.

I'd take DX's side on this. Ecuador is right. Leaks is not just a news service. This is information of 1. a highly personal nature 2. with national security breaches 3. no vetting of information 4. illegally uncovered 5. quite possibly by the Russians 6. and disseminated at the time and manner specifically to affect arguably the world's most important outcome of the next four years. The illegal nature of this alone merits consideration. It assumes as totally acceptable hacking and publishing of personal information. Besides if some personal/confidential nature is acceptable...then all should be. By inference it justifies any personal moral stance over law. Should we start with your bank account information? I like taking from the rich and giving to the poor...money disappears out of your account. I like taking from the US and giving to Russia...more money disappears out of your account.

There are so many reasons that this has to stop now.

 

[alfablue]

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Over the last few weeks, NPR has been going out an interviewing possible voters.

One common theme that Trump supporters say is "I Believe" X is happening. From voter fraud on a wide scale, to illegals taking good jobs from native born (who had two kids who could not find work), to feeling more unsafe over the last 8 years, etc.

All when data shows an alternate world. There's little voter fraud, many illegals are going home, violent crimes are down in the US, etc.

We've heard this kind of stuff from the top of the R ticket- totally ignoring real data. And they do the same for global warming and the environment.

Many R's (not just trump supporters) hate Hillary because the believe she is bad, but have no solid reason or actual evidence that she's that bad.

Basically, the big battle is of *faith* of something vs. reality. Everyone knows that's almost an impossible battle to win.

For the family who thought illegals were taking jobs, I was thinking what jobs were taken to prevent your kids from getting jobs? Specifically?

How in the world do you combat that?

It's almost impossible to get a belief or faith issue to be compromised, and that's where many R's stand in congress.

 

[Handyman]

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I think you guys misjudge just how much money is being put into automated big rigs. The industry is moving that way. If anything having that much experience makes you far less apt to believe it.

In ten years, I don't doubt we'll have entire highways with dedicated systems for it.

I dont misjudge, I bet it is plenty because trucking is not cheap. The problem with your theory is that small mom and pop shops, hell even midsized places without large corporate backing, wont be able to afford the fleet of trucks and it will take a decade (after they become a legit thing) before the price will be at a point where they can.

Plus there are other logistical things that will make it a lot harder than you make it out to be.

Lets put it this way, I dont doubt that in 10 years there will be automated systems out there that can do the job. I do doubt that it will be the norm or the majority for at least 15 years. There are innovations that will become the norm long before that.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Over the last few weeks, NPR has been going out an interviewing possible voters.

One common theme that Trump supporters say is "I Believe" X is happening. From voter fraud on a wide scale, to illegals taking good jobs from native born (who had two kids who could not find work), to feeling more unsafe over the last 8 years, etc.

All when data shows an alternate world. There's little voter fraud, many illegals are going home, violent crimes are down in the US, etc.

We've heard this kind of stuff from the top of the R ticket- totally ignoring real data. And they do the same for global warming and the environment.

Many R's (not just trump supporters) hate Hillary because the believe she is bad, but have no solid reason or actual evidence that she's that bad.

Basically, the big battle is of *faith* of something vs. reality. Everyone knows that's almost an impossible battle to win.

For the family who thought illegals were taking jobs, I was thinking what jobs were taken to prevent your kids from getting jobs? Specifically?

How in the world do you combat that?

It's almost impossible to get a belief or faith issue to be compromised, and that's where many R's stand in congress.

Truth vs Truthiness.