Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

[alfablue]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Ben Carson on CNN was even better. He went a step farther by blaming the female CNN anchor, saying maybe she just hasn't hung out in enough locker rooms if she's never heard that type of language.

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So the "Again" part of tD is back 50 years ago when "the girl had it coming" when she was raped. At least we know that now.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Ben Carson is proof you can be well educated and highly regarded in your field...and yet be one of the dumbest people alive.

Something must have happened to that guy. I have friends whose child's life was saved by Carson. They spent dozens of hours talking with him prior to and after the operation. They say he didn't have anything like the f-cked up affect he does now. And these are people who supported him for President!

He has some awful neurological disorder. I know, Shockley Effect, I get it, but this isn't a scientist being terrible in a different field, it's a highly trained medical specialist being terrible in basic logic and thinking skills. There is no way this is the Dr. Carson who accomplished what he did. This is some messed-up post brain damage version. It's sad and awful.

 

[alfablue]

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Trump will get more than 6% during the main election. Why is beyond me. But certain people will vote for Trump simply because he is the Republican nominated candidate. Some will vote for him because they hate HRC. Some will vote for him because they think like the 6% who voted for him during the primaries, but were just too lazy to vote in the primaries. But to suggest that anyone who has ever voted Republican or is politically conservative by nature is responsible for this clown is simply disingenuous.

If they didn't vote in the primary, then it is their responsibility. Being lazy isn't an excuse to let a crazy guy represent you and your party.

Although, I think it's deeper than that- once that whole crowd of R's decided that they wanted to be President- that took the sum of the gross majority of voters and split them to give tD a path. For that, the Party should be more responsible in filtering out the candidates before they all try to get the same non tD vote.

I'm also not all that keen on the who primary process, too. Why should Iowa and New Hampshire have so much say in the national election???

We should have a single national primary election. Or maybe 2 if the crowd is too big. The way it is lets someone get momentum in a state that happens to favor them and not a better candidate for the entire country. That's not a good way of doing it. Sure, it helps the media industry in Iowa and New Hampshire, but it's no way to select the candidates.

 

[Handyman]

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Look, I'm not trying to rain on the circle jerk you guys have going these past few days, but it's completely relevant and is something the GOP leadership has to take a long, hard look at it when it's done.

You can say what you want, but it is cold, hard math that 14 million people voted to put Trump where he is today -- at the top of the GOP ticket. That is a tiny fraction of the U.S. voting public.

The GOP is not blameless in letting this occur. If you let people hijack your party, you have no one to blame but yourself. But you guys are less than honest if you won't admit there were sizable chunks of the GOP aghast at Trump and his positions during the primaries.

Trump will get more than 6% during the main election. Why is beyond me. But certain people will vote for Trump simply because he is the Republican nominated candidate. Some will vote for him because they hate HRC. Some will vote for him because they think like the 6% who voted for him during the primaries, but were just too lazy to vote in the primaries. But to suggest that anyone who has ever voted Republican or is politically conservative by nature is responsible for this clown is simply disingenuous.

The problem with your theory is that it is flawed. The entirety of the voting public doesnt vote for the Republican Nominee...

The question was how he became the Republican Candidate...it is because 44.9% of the Republican Votes cast during the Primaries went to him. He wasnt seeking votes from the entire block of elligible voters, just those that are leaning R. He won those and it was never close. 14 million voted for him (as you yourself said) and the next closest guy (Ted Cruz) had just under 8.

Move the goalposts however you want to try and make it look different...but the facts/numbers dont lie. Trump won because the Republicans voted for him and wanted him. Period end of story. Any attempt to obfuscate that is not only intellectually dishonest but lying on a level equal to the nominee himself.

 

[Kepler]

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But to suggest that anyone who has ever voted Republican or is politically conservative by nature is responsible for this clown is simply disingenuous.

Show me where I said that.

 

[SJHovey]

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Written papers from tD, sure- none of that is out there like Hitler. But you do have to agree that a number of tD supporters do also agree with Hitler- that part of the world has never gone away. They keep poping up all over the world to kill a lot of people that they don't like. While there hasn't that here in the US, the "haters" exist. These are people who really want to voice their hatred, but have been prevented to and blame it on "political correctness"- when the reality is that everyone is equal, and should be treated equally (extending the Constitution to everyday life). His supporters cheer every time he says something mean- from the bad people from Mexico to the excuses of the current video being locker room talk.

And the scary part is that tD is so vindictive that he can use his supporters to go after people who he disagrees with.

To start- the mention that all Mexicans are criminals and rapists- there's the first step where violence can go against a group of people. Then, there's the ever evolving view on Muslims- but the stone has been cast. It's not a stretch to think that he could tell them to "register" and then what?

In other words, it's not tD directly- it's the combination of some of his supporters and his tiny ego put together that is incredibly dangerous similar to Hitler.

Give me an example of his vindictiveness, or his capacity for retaliation. Something that goes beyond just calling someone fat, or a moron or some other verbal name-calling.

The guy is a blowhard. He wouldn't know how to retaliate against someone even if he grew the balls to do so.

 

[Handyman]

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Something must have happened to that guy. I have friends whose child's life was saved by Carson. They spent dozens of hours talking with him prior to and after the operation. They say he didn't have anything like the f-cked up affect he does now. And these are people who supported him for President!

He has some awful neurological disorder. I know, Shockley Effect, I get it, but this isn't a scientist being terrible in a different field, it's a highly trained medical specialist being terrible in basic logic and thinking skills. There is no way this is the Dr. Carson who accomplished what he did. This is some messed-up post brain damage version. It's sad and awful.

I hope so...because my senile Grandmother makes more sense and is more in tune with the modern world than him and she has been dead for 3 years...

 

[Rover]

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Completely disagree on the "it was a divided field that gave Trump the nomination" meme. No, it wasn't. The nutter vote (Trump + Cruz + Carson) was like 70% of the total. If Republican voters were so enamored with a moderate alternative, why didn't Kasich win more than 1 state (his own)? After Rubio dropped out which I think was 5 states in, Kasich should have been able to consolidate all these so called sane righties we all keep hearing about. Instead in the final chance to stop Trump, the northeastern states primary, Trump won EVERY COUNTY!

Trump represents a good 70-80% of Republican voters. That's why he's the nominee. If it wasn't him it'd be Cruz who's just as crazy.

 

[SJHovey]

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Show me where I said that.

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This is the other shoe dropping. Remember back around Christmas when movement conservatives started to catch on that all those votes they had gotten in the 90s and 00s had zero to do with political principles and everything to do with cultural reaction? That broke their hearts, but the larger party said "fine, whatever, slap an 'R' on it and we own him." That was a miscalculation, because he now owns them. Trump can persuasively go to Ryan and McConnell and Priebus and give them an ultimatum: start supporting me again or I will destroy you."

And if there's one guy on Earth who we can all see doing that...

 

[Handyman]

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For reference...Romney won the nomination in 2012 with 10 million votes and McCain with 9.9 million. The divide isnt what had Trump win the numbers prove it. He won because the rest of the clowns sucked and the people wanted him. The facts back this up deny it is like denying 2+2 = 4.

Trump represents the vast majority of the people his party represents. That may not be you, but there is more of "them" than there are of you so get used to it.

 

[Kepler]

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OK, fair enough. I should not have said "all." Let's say it's like the Deplorables: 50% +/- 25%.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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For reference...Romney won the nomination in 2012 with 10 million votes and McCain with 9.9 million. The divide isnt what had Trump win the numbers prove it. He won because the rest of the clowns sucked and the people wanted him. The facts back this up deny it is like denying 2+2 = 4.

They all suck, but I don't think to the GOP vpters think they all sucked. He won because he's Trump and the 16 other people split the vote. The last guy standing was Cruz (Tea Party) and the Tea Party didn't have enough clout and couldn't control it's own members (many of the Tea Party voting clowns were drawn to Trump like a moth to a flame).

 

[BassAle]

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If they didn't vote in the primary, then it is their responsibility. Being lazy isn't an excuse to let a crazy guy represent you and your party..

The thing is he may have only received the vote of ~6% of the total electorate, he represents the views of a pretty significant portion of the GOP. This world view that Trump represents has been actively cultivated by the GOP for years. Now they have lost control of it. I can't believe the number of women I've seen defending Trump. Their buy-in to the Obama and Hillary are the anti-christ and are destroying America narrative is so great they can excuse ANYTHING the GOP candidate does because no matter what there is no way it can be as bad as what Hillary has done or will do.

The GOP NEEDS to go down in flames. These nut jobs that have taken over the party need to be relegated to some fringe crazy party and a more moderate opposition party to the Democrats needs to replace it. Our future depends on it. ANYONE that votes GOP this election is complicit in our downfall.

 

[joecct]

Completely disagree on the "it was a divided field that gave Trump the nomination" meme. No, it wasn't. The nutter vote (Trump + Cruz + Carson) was like 70% of the total. If Republican voters were so enamored with a moderate alternative, why didn't Kasich win more than 1 state (his own)? After Rubio dropped out which I think was 5 states in, Kasich should have been able to consolidate all these so called sane righties we all keep hearing about. Instead in the final chance to stop Trump, the northeastern states primary, Trump won EVERY COUNTY!

Trump represents a good 70-80% of Republican voters. That's why he's the nominee. If it wasn't him it'd be Cruz who's just as crazy.

I would think around 50%+-. While there was still a primary battle, I don't think he received a majority of the votes in any primary. However, his plurality and the free publicity offered him by the MSM, put him (and us) in the position we are now in.

The people wanted an outsider. The Dems beat back that challenge while the GOP got what it deserved.

My God have mercy on us.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Completely disagree on the "it was a divided field that gave Trump the nomination" meme. No, it wasn't. The nutter vote (Trump + Cruz + Carson) was like 70% of the total. If Republican voters were so enamored with a moderate alternative, why didn't Kasich win more than 1 state (his own)? After Rubio dropped out which I think was 5 states in, Kasich should have been able to consolidate all these so called sane righties we all keep hearing about. Instead in the final chance to stop Trump, the northeastern states primary, Trump won EVERY COUNTY!

Trump represents a good 70-80% of Republican voters. That's why he's the nominee. If it wasn't him it'd be Cruz who's just as crazy.

The Party had plenty of time to overcorrect to stop Drumpf...problem was the field was horse[bleep] and the base wasnt buying it. Drumpf went after the dregs...the Alex Jones types...the disenfranchised and vengeful and ginned them up to come out and vote in Primaries they normally dont care about. The Party had no answer and sure did like the influx of support and cash so they never took a step to stop him. Even when people warned them this was going to be the result (not pundits mind you but intellectuals in the Party) they ignored it...

They are responsible for this. It took him basically admitting to rape to get some of them to jump off. They were fine with EVERYTHING ELSE! John Oliver nailed it.

 

[Kepler]

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I can't believe the number of women I've seen defending Trump. Their buy-in to the Obama and Hillary are the anti-christ and are destroying America narrative is so great they can excuse ANYTHING the GOP candidate does because no matter what there is no way it can be as bad as what Hillary has done or will do.

I can believe it. The fundy mindset (this world is but a shadow of and preparation for the actual world, the Kingdom of God; empirical science is lying if it conflicts with words in a 2000+ year old book of Jewish Messiah fan fiction) is already a psychotic break from reality. There's no additional effort for them to rationalize Trump as an unwitting finger puppet of The Lawd.

 

[SJHovey]

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Move the goalposts however you want to try and make it look different...but the facts/numbers dont lie. Trump won because the Republicans voted for him and wanted him. Period end of story. Any attempt to obfuscate that is not only intellectually dishonest but lying on a level equal to the nominee himself.

The math, as Scooby would say, is simple.

There are about 240 million eligible voters in the country. On average maybe 50-55% vote in the Presidential election. If we assume approximately half are Republicans, that means that about 60 million out of maybe 120 million Republican voters actually vote in the November election. I'm even willing to accept that maybe the 240 million aren't divided 50/50, but it's probably not too far off.

It's also true that of those possible 120 million Republican voters, only 60 million or so of whom will vote in the November election, that 14 million of them were able to easily put Donald Trump at the head of their party's ticket.

That's about 23% of the Republicans who voted for Romney in 2012, and what 11-12% of possible Republican voters?

I don't consider Republican or conservative voters blameless at all. This should not have been allowed to happen. But as someone who voted for a different candidate in the primary, try as you might I'm not putting this on me.

 

[Kepler]

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Completely disagree on the "it was a divided field that gave Trump the nomination" meme. No, it wasn't. The nutter vote (Trump + Cruz + Carson) was like 70% of the total.

Rover is right. Now 'scuse me while I go to confession to get absolved from saying that.

 

[Handyman]

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They all suck, but I don't think to the GOP vpters think they all sucked. He won because he's Trump and the 16 other people split the vote. The last guy standing was Cruz (Tea Party) and the Tea Party didn't have enough clout and couldn't control it's own members (many of the Tea Party voting clowns were drawn to Trump like a moth to a flame).

Cruz got 8 million votes Scooby...that was more than 2nd and 3rd place (Romney and Huckabee) in 2008. That is equal to Santorum + Newt + Paul in 2012.

It isnt the split vote...it is the fact that many of the people who normally ignore everything until October stopped ignoring it when Drumpf came along. As his numbers grew everyone buckled under and backed him. They didnt have to they CHOSE to. That is why Cruz was talked up for not endorsing and see as the voice of reason. (I know right!)

Simple math Scooby...

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

The math, as Scooby would say, is simple.

There are about 240 million eligible voters in the country. On average maybe 50-55% vote in the Presidential election. If we assume approximately half are Republicans, that means that about 60 million out of maybe 120 million Republican voters actually vote in the November election. I'm even willing to accept that maybe the 240 million aren't divided 50/50, but it's probably not too far off.

It's also true that of those possible 120 million Republican voters, only 60 million or so of whom will vote in the November election, that 14 million of them were able to easily put Donald Trump at the head of their party's ticket.

That's about 23% of the Republicans who voted for Romney in 2012, and what 11-12% of possible Republican voters?

I don't consider Republican or conservative voters blameless at all. This should not have been allowed to happen. But as someone who voted for a different candidate in the primary, try as you might I'm not putting this on me.

I am not putting it on you, I am putting it on the Grand Old Party. They have been sowing the seeds for this since McCain lost in 2008. You are one voice and you did what you were supposed to do. (vote for who you like) The problem is 14 million people drowned you out. My buddies that are GOP feel exactly as you do but they blame the Party and the Leadership because they allowed this to happen.