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Campaign 2016 Part XX: Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right.

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Handyman said:
He doesnt think the choice is his to make so why would he be happy?
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Because he's going to be a father, and it seems it was a choice he and his wife made.


(If it wasn't a mutual choice, I recommend he use the remote auto-starter for a while. ;) )
 
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I'm pretty ticked off at Kaine today. He crushed Pence on substance. He crushed him on being more truthful. He made Pence lie all night long. He made Pence not defend Trump, which is supposed to be his job.

Yet, Pence wins on style.

If Kaine had just let the moderator do her job and not interrupted the right wing ******** he would've put another nail in Trump's coffin.

Not a happy camper.
 
The Sicatoka said:
I assume you two made ... a choice. It's a package deal, and you knew it going in. Be happy you got the choice.

PS - Congratulations.
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And my wife made it clear that while she highly values my opinions and would give it all due weight, in the end she gets 51% of the vote on matters related to the pregnancy. And I agree with that assessment, because she's the one going through it, not me.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I'm pretty ticked off at Kaine today. He crushed Pence on substance. He crushed him on being more truthful. He made Pence lie all night long. He made Pence not defend Trump, which is supposed to be his job.

Yet, Pence wins on style.

If Kaine had just let the moderator do her job and not interrupted the right wing ******** he would've put another nail in Trump's coffin.

Not a happy camper.
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Kaine came off like a petulant child constantly interrupting. Pence came off as a calm adult with just one answer: Because I say so.

"Because I say so" ain't a great argument, but calm wins the optics. (Ask Dick Nixon about the importance of that.)
 
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And to make you even more confused, I'm an adoptee and I'm still pro-choice.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I'm pretty ticked off at Kaine today. He crushed Pence on substance. He crushed him on being more truthful. He made Pence lie all night long. He made Pence not defend Trump, which is supposed to be his job.

Yet, Pence wins on style.

If Kaine had just let the moderator do her job and not interrupted the right wing ******** he would've put another nail in Trump's coffin.

Not a happy camper.
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That's probably a good summary.

Ultimately a VP will not win you the election. A truly horrible one could lose it (Palin), but a very good one will still not influence much. On top of that, there's very little time for the VP candidates in the limelight, and people forget about that time pretty quickly. So spending that time building your VP candidate up to be Mother Theresa is a probably a waste since few will remember and much fewer will be influenced by it to vote for your ticket. That's why the time is typically used as an attack dog. You can lose a few nice-guy points for your VP pick if it furthers your ticket's message and gets at the person on top of the other ticket. And that's clearly what they wanted with Kaine here. His goal was to keep on message attacking everything crazy about Trump, even if that makes him not the nicest guy out there, because ultimately it's about what happens at the top of the ticket, not the bottom. That's at least the conventional wisdom I would think, and the Clinton campaign is sticking with it.

All of that said, while that was the message, the execution could have gone better. He needed to tone it down 20% or so. He could still spend half of his time just reminded us of Trump being Trump without needing to repeatedly join in. After being seen as the aggressor in the last debate, Pence's plan was to flip the script to try to cancel out that disadvantage (as evidenced by his whole "look they're insulting us too!" theme). Being constantly interrupted and getting to do his "aww shucks" face gives him a chance to further that message.
 
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Will Trump be smart enough to use her husband against her? No, not for that. For her support of her boss' plan and hubby's recent slaps at it.

It was “the true definition of a campaign gaffe, where a politician screws up by saying what they really think,” said Kevin Madden, an advisor to 2012 Republican nominee Mitt Romney.
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That is an awesome quote.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...calls-obamacare-the-1475601274-htmlstory.html

Wait. ... Trump. Smart. Got the answer already. --> Stand by for more talk about his tax attorney and Miss Universe.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I'm pretty ticked off at Kaine today. He crushed Pence on substance. He crushed him on being more truthful. He made Pence lie all night long. He made Pence not defend Trump, which is supposed to be his job.

Yet, Pence wins on style.

If Kaine had just let the moderator do her job and not interrupted the right wing ******** he would've put another nail in Trump's coffin.

Not a happy camper.
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My advice is don't worry about it. VP debates make zero impact or we would never have had the G. H. W. Bush presidency.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Kaine came off like a petulant child constantly interrupting. Pence came off as a calm adult with just one answer: Because I say so.
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The first 15 minutes or so. But then a couple things happened:

1. Pence started to interrupt too, if only in self-preservation.
2. Pence started lying about Trump's statements.
 
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Kepler said:
The first 15 minutes or so. But then a couple things happened:
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Uh ... that went more than 10 minutes? There was this baseball game on TBS ... ;)

Yeah, yeah, I was listening to the whole thing, but you get my point: the average person was so put off trying to listen to three people talk over each other they gave up by the 15 minute mark. Heck, my left thumb twitched over top of the steering wheel radio controls but I toughed it out. It was hard to listen to.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
That is an awesome ad. Hopefully more watch that ad then watched the debate itself.
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Great ad. They should be running those in every swing state and every swing district to depress R turnout. it's so ****ing.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I'm with "French Rage":
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I suppose the Veep is slightly more important this time because of the age and lack of transparency of the top of the ticket.

But if Palin didn't significantly affect McCain's votes, nothing ever will.
 
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Kepler said:
I cannot understand how anyone is still voting for Johnson. And I am predisposed to really like him. But honestly his gaffes put him down with Dubya and Quayle on the "brainless pol" scale. (Palin and Trump are on a whole different scale where you start to worry about neurological disorder.)
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A few reasons. Some people really believe that libertarian BS! Good buddy of mine from grad school does, and I'm cool with that. But more likely its people who have no idea what he stands for but want to feel "clean" by not voting for one of the two major candidates. Libertarians seem like harmless loons.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Heck, my left thumb twitched over top of the steering wheel radio controls but I toughed it out. It was hard to listen to.
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This is such a great image and I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes I accidentally land on "Patriot" on XM and the wave of stupidity is so incapacitating that I almost can't click beyond it fast enough. :p
 
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Rover said:
A few reasons. Some people really believe that libertarian BS! Good buddy of mine from grad school does, and I'm cool with that. But more likely its people who have no idea what he stands for but want to feel "clean" by not voting for one of the two major candidates. Libertarians seem like harmless loons.
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I completely understand the attraction of Libertarianism as I am in remission. It's Johnson that I don't get. He is clearly unfit for the office. He's in the Dubya weight class for substantive knowledge and the thing about small "l" libertarians is they are often freakishly well-informed at least in their Baroque Austrian boxes.
 
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