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Campaign 2016 Part XX: Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right.

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Kepler said:
I suppose the Veep is slightly more important this time because of the age and lack of transparency of the top of the ticket.

But if Palin didn't significantly affect McCain's votes, nothing ever will.
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I think Palin did affect him some (though it's hard to know since that was taking place during the 2008 crash), but she's the exception to the rule. But to lose it, you have to be real horrible, like her level of horrible. Interrupting a few times during the debate is nowhere in that ballpark, or even in the parking lot for that ballpark. That's why it's a calculated risk (though not much of a risk) losing a few favorability points for VP who no ones really votes for any way for the sacrifice of keeping the campaign's message on the frontpage. Now, maybe this is the election where that suddenly all changes, it certainly has been an unusual one for many reasons, but with the characters on the tops of both tickets, the VPs are too much of an afterthought, age of the Trump/Clinton aside, to take up too much space in people's brains.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Kaine came off like a petulant child constantly interrupting. Pence came off as a calm adult with just one answer: Because I say so.

"Because I say so" ain't a great argument, but calm wins the optics. (Ask Dick Nixon about the importance of that.)
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Sure. But Pence ain't the top of the ticket, and no one's voting based on who the VP candidate is or on what he said.

Pence might have looked calm, but he landed almost nothing on Hillary, while Kaine was able to hammer Trump on the past week's stories(taxes, racism and being an abject tool towards women) while adding a few more, like international defense alliances, Russia, and nukes. Which Pence did nothing to minimize or deflect, only saying, "no, that's not true" or "he never said that". Despite there being a multitude of video sources out there showing him saying exactly what Kaine says he did.

Pence might have won the optics of a debate that no one cares about, but he did nothing to help Trump in the overall campaign. And by consistently refusing to stick up for him, may have even hurt him. Not good when your own VP pick doesn't have your back.
 
The Sicatoka said:
The soldier chooses to give up rights they had and take on responsibilities. After the pregnancy the male has no rights*, they are taken, but retains the responsibility.


*The male had rights pre-pregnancy, namely, to not create the pregnancy. The female has rights the whole way.
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And the baby - none.
 
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rufus said:
Sure. But Pence ain't the top of the ticket, and no one's voting based on who the VP candidate is or on what he said.

Pence might have looked calm, but he landed almost nothing on Hillary, while Kaine was able to hammer Trump on the past week's stories(taxes, racism and being an abject tool towards women) while adding a few more, like international defense alliances, Russia, and nukes. Which Pence did nothing to minimize or deflect, only saying, "no, that's not true" or "he never said that". Despite there being a multitude of video sources out there showing him saying exactly what Kaine says he did.

Pence might have won the optics of a debate that no one cares about, but he did nothing to help Trump in the overall campaign. And by consistently refusing to stick up for him, may have even hurt him. Not good when your own VP pick doesn't have your back.
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Yeah the ad linked before will have more of an affect on voters than the debate did. This isnt the 1970s you cant just deny and people will forget about it now there is instantaneous fact checking and that plays more than just deny deny deny.
 
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French Rage said:
That's why it's a calculated risk (though not much of a risk) losing a few favorability points for VP who no ones really votes for any way for the sacrifice of keeping the campaign's message on the frontpage.
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Exactly. Kaine didn't care how he looked, as long as he kept Trump's idiocy on the front pages, and the news topic on hand. pence however, was afraid to go there in defense of The Donald, cause he was trying to maintain his own viability for a possible presidential run in the future. Aligning himself as full on in the Trump crazy camp was gonna end that before it could even start.
 
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rufus said:
Pence might have looked calm, but he landed almost nothing on Hillary, while Kaine was able to hammer Trump on the past week's stories(taxes, racism and being an abject tool towards women) while adding a few more, like international defense alliances, Russia, and nukes. Which Pence did nothing to minimize or deflect, only saying, "no, that's not true" or "he never said that". Despite there being a multitude of video sources out there showing him saying exactly what Kaine says he did.
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That's how I thought about it, too. Caine was off-putting stylistically, but the more his statements are played to show him being a dick, the more people are thinking, "yeah, he's a dick, but what he said there was true and what Pence said was a lie."

So I think it's a wash.
 
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rufus said:
pence however, was afraid to go there in defense of The Donald, cause he was trying to maintain his own viability for a possible presidential run in the future. Aligning himself as full on in the Trump crazy camp was gonna end that before it could even start.
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That's his dilemma in having accepted the veep slot. I think it was probably his best shot -- he had no national recognition before and his knuckledragging social policies are only falling farther and farther behind the country, so this was a Hail Mary to build a fan base in preparation for 2020. It was always a long shot and most long shots don't pay out. He does sustain damage to his image as a religiously-informed person for being a surrogate for the most ludicrously unspiritual person to ever seek the office, but he's a politician so he's hardly new to hypocrisy.
 
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unofan said:
And my wife made it clear that while she highly values my opinions and would give it all due weight, in the end she gets 51% of the vote on matters related to the pregnancy. And I agree with that assessment, because she's the one going through it, not me.
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Wait, so the male now gets 49% of the rights? Which is it? None, or 49%?
 
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Kepler said:
I completely understand the attraction of Libertarianism as I am in remission. It's Johnson that I don't get. He is clearly unfit for the office. He's in the Dubya weight class for substantive knowledge and the thing about small "l" libertarians is they are often freakishly well-informed at least in their Baroque Austrian boxes.
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Weld should be the top of that ticket.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Wait, so the male now gets 49% of the rights? Which is it? None, or 49%?
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He's talking about control of the decision making. If you own 51% of the shares of a company, do you have 51% control of the company, or 100%?
 
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Kepler said:
That's how I thought about it, too. Caine was off-putting stylistically, but the more his statements are played to show him being a dick, the more people are thinking, "yeah, he's a dick, but what he said there was true and what Pence said was a lie."

So I think it's a wash.
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No, it's not a wash for one key reason:
Kaine's only path to the Oval Office is through/after Hillary.

Last night affirmed that because his behavior last night is perfect for future attack ads if he runs top-ticket in 2020. He was rude and impolite ... to the (female) moderator. (Pence was the opponent; it's expected behavior toward him.)
 
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GrinCDXX said:
He's talking about control of the decision making. If you own 51% of the shares of a company, do you have 51% control of the company, or 100%?
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What do the company bylaws say?
Does a vote require 50% plus one vote to pass or does it require some sort of super-majority?
 
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The Sicatoka said:
No, it's not a wash for one key reason:
Kaine's only path to the Oval Office is through/after Hillary.

Last night affirmed that because his behavior last night is perfect for future attack ads if he runs top-ticket in 2020. He was rude and impolite ... to the (female) moderator. (Pence was the opponent; it's expected behavior toward him.)
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That didn't matter for Bush when he was really rude and condescending to Geraldine Ferraro. I doubt it will matter in 2020 or 2024 depending on how this plays out.
 
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