Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes early

[Kepler]

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What a maroon.

 

[MaizeRage]

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What a maroon.

Sounds like somebody should have taken better security precautions with his communications so that they didn't potentially end up in the hands of dangerous foreign elements. I find that to be extremely careless.

 

[Handyman]

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What a maroon.

Thank is dumber than when Palin accused Katie Couric of "Gotcha Journalism" cause she asked what magazines she read.

 

[bronconick]

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Who the hell thought Larry King was still at CNN?

 

[Handyman]

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They didnt think it was going to be on CNN, it was supposed to just be on his podcast.

 

[Rover]

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The GOP is going to soon experience something the Dems had to go through in the 80s: it sucks when such a significant portion of your base is old that they are literally dying every day. That's what happened when New Deal Dems starting kicking the bucket and we couldn't replace them fast enough. I'm not sure if we're quite there yet with the GOP base, but it's coming and it is extremely unpleasant.

Think of it like this. You're Kepler the Venture Capitalist and I'm Rover the Entrepreneur. I come to your gold plated office with a proposal...

Rover: Old people love VCR's. Its the technology they had when they were in their 20's and 30's and it has a 65% approval rating over all other alternatives. I want a billion dollars to start manufacturing and selling them again. I think its a winner.

Kep: Umm..okay, but aren't you missing a few things? Such as these VCR lovers are a finite population. There's less VCR users than there were 4 years ago and they'll be less 4 years from now. There aren't any new VCR lovers coming along as the people who are younger than them were exposed to other products and aren't as wedded to yours. Plus, some 60 and 70 year olds may have changed with the times and got more tech savvy since then.

Rover: No no no! Even though older VCR lovers are a dwindling population, this November after I'm up and running I expect them to overwhelm everybody else and want to use this legacy product more than everybody else wants to use the newer products. In fact, they'll be half of the total market as other people just stop buying competing products.

Kep: No thanks. I think I'll invest my $1Bn in lottery tickets as it has a better chance of succeeding.

This is the GOP's dilemma in a nutshell. They're selling a product (conservatism) that's been obsolete for 30 years even though its managed to hang on a bit longer because the people who came of age with it might still like it (old people). However, its a finite population that keeps dwindling.

 

[alfablue]

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Think of it like this. You're Kepler the Venture Capitalist and I'm Rover the Entrepreneur. I come to your gold plated office with a proposal...

Rover: Old people love VCR's. Its the technology they had when they were in their 20's and 30's and it has a 65% approval rating over all other alternatives. I want a billion dollars to start manufacturing and selling them again. I think its a winner.

Kep: Umm..okay, but aren't you missing a few things? Such as these VCR lovers are a finite population. There's less VCR users than there were 4 years ago and they'll be less 4 years from now. There aren't any new VCR lovers coming along as the people who are younger than them were exposed to other products and aren't as wedded to yours. Plus, some 60 and 70 year olds may have changed with the times and got more tech savvy since then.

Rover: No no no! Even though older VCR lovers are a dwindling population, this November after I'm up and running I expect them to overwhelm everybody else and want to use this legacy product more than everybody else wants to use the newer products. In fact, they'll be half of the total market as other people just stop buying competing products.

Kep: No thanks. I think I'll invest my $1Bn in lottery tickets as it has a better chance of succeeding.

This is the GOP's dilemma in a nutshell. They're selling a product (conservatism) that's been obsolete for 30 years even though its managed to hang on a bit longer because the people who came of age with it might still like it (old people). However, its a finite population that keeps dwindling.

On top of that, an NPR All Things Considered article pointed out that there are nearly as many voters in Florida between 20 and 34 as there are over 65. This in a state well known for a retirement destination.

 

[French Rage]

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/08/polit...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

The whole article's a good read, but my favorite part:

"I could tell," Trump added. "I'm pretty good with the body language. I could tell they were not happy. Our leaders did not follow what they were recommending."

Is there anything that he can't do in his own mind?

 

[Rover]

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Trump is going to have to answer for his Putin love in a couple of weeks. I'm really curious how he gets out of that when Hillary reads back his own statements to him.

Beyond that though, I ask all the nervous nellies out there. Beyond and come back from a bounce Hillary got at the convention, what exactly makes you think the race has changed? Is Trump moderating or doing anything differently? At all? Is there something new out there we know about Hillary that we didn't a month ago? No and no. What you're seeing is pollsters are switching from a registered voter model to a likely voter one, and initially they're all over the place. One poll had Trump within 4% in New Jersey? Another had Hillary only down by 6% in....Louisiana??? This election isn't that volatile especially with two extremely well known candidates. Nor are there now 30 swing states. Its basically a 6%, 340-200 EV race like its always been once you factor out convention bounces and Gold Star family attacks. I'm amused by the stupidity of the "oohhh, she hasn't put Trump away yet" argument. I don't recall too many contests that were over before the debates. Even Mondale pulled even for a time when Reagan went senile during the 1st debate in '84. Had Reagan gone senile again the next time instead of recovering "I won't make age an issue, I refuse to comment on my opponent's youth or inexperience", maybe that race gets a lot closer. 2008 I'd say would be the closest one and even that one the financial crisis happened right before the first debate if you recall McCain saying he might not be able to make it in order to deal with bailout legislation.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Who the hell thought Larry King was still at CNN?

Larry King is still alive?

 

[The Sicatoka]

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She was butt hurt about her husband, that's for sure. He liked chorus girls a little too much.

Interesting.
I'm wondering when Mr. Post was done with a chorus girl was she bu......
Nevermind ...

 

[Kepler]

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Larry King is still alive?

That was kinda my reaction.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Beyond that though, I ask all the nervous nellies out there.

You can cite whatever you want. I lived through 2000 and 2004. Never again.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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They're selling a product (conservatism) that's been obsolete for 30 years even though its managed to hang on ...

That's what folks have long said. Why? The adage about age, heart, head, and political beliefs has been around a more than a century.

 

[aparch]

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Speaking of "gotcha journalism," Larry King is pretty good at it himself. He was on the Opie and Anthony show a few years back and they loved mocking him for his absurd questioning style.
(ie: Larry: "So what did you do after finding the dead body?
Interviewee: "I dialled 911 as fast as I could."
Larry: "Rotary phone or touch pad?")
But he admitted on air he was always trying to poke holes in people's stories.

 

[Kepler]

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You can cite whatever you want. I lived through 2000 and 2004. Never again.

ts; dr:

“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” -- H. L. Mencken

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I'm really curious how he gets out of that when Hillary reads back his own statements to him.

If none of them has gotten traction up to now, Hillary saying it in her robotic staged lawyer voice will?

 

[aparch]

You can cite whatever you want. I lived through 2000 and 2004. Never again.

I think Brexit, with "close but safe, stay" polling data until the morning of the vote was as clear of a warning sign as we need against a potential Trump presidency.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I think Brexit, with "close but safe, stay" polling data until the morning of the vote was as clear of a warning sign as we need against a potential Trump presidency.

Brexit is evidence that Trump could win.

 

[Kepler]

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That's what folks have long said. Why? The adage about age, heart, head, and political beliefs has been around a more than a century.

As have many other thought-terminating cliches with nary a whit of truth to them.

It's a funny line. It's also bunk. Churchill himself said as much.

And we have just as many on the other side:

“Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals.”

“Conservatism discards Prescription, shrinks from Principle, disavows Progress; having rejected all respect for antiquity, it offers no redress for the present, and makes no preparation for the future.

“A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.”

“Although it is not true that all conservatives are reactionaries, it is true that all reactionaries are conservative.

“The conservative engages in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”

“A conservative is one who admires radicals centuries after they’re dead.”

“Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear.”

"The Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work and then get elected and prove it.”

“Mr. Nixon has, in the last seven days, called me an economic ignoramus, a Pied Piper, and all the rest. I’ve just confined myself to calling him a Republican. But he says that is getting low.”

“Republicans and nerds have so much in common — they both live in fantasy worlds and have no idea how to relate to women.”

“A gathering of Democrats is more sweaty, disorderly, offhand, and rowdy than a gathering of Republicans; it is also likely to be more cheerful, imaginative, tolerant of dissent, and skillful at the game of give-and-take. A gathering of Republicans is more respectable, sober, purposeful, and businesslike than a gathering of Democrats; it is also likely to be more self-righteous, pompous, cut-and-dried, and just plain boring.”