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Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes early

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MaizeRage said:
Or she always wears a bulletproof vest at public appearances.
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Oh that's just silly. Everyone loves her. ;)

These conspiracy things pi* me off. I read them, and think, "Are you that f*ing stupid?" (and this goes for both sides, btw)
 
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While that poll is disturbing, he is also trailing in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Virginia. To win he needs to win most if not all of those states. The Electoral College is killing him right now which is why she is still 71% to win on 538.

That said if Hillary doesnt want to choke she needs to become visible again. When she speaks her numbers go up.

edit to add: The Left should be out in full force next week pumping up the base. While this is only one poll it is time to get back into the fight and go full force until the debates. Obama, Warren and Clinton should be on TV every day talking up policy and revving up the middle/Progressives. Right now the only thing out there is email scandals and Drumpf rhetoric they need to shift the focus back to why she is better and why Drumpf is a racist *****.
 
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Handyman said:
...That said if Hillary doesnt want to choke she needs to become visible again. When she speaks her numbers go up.

edit to add: The Left should be out in full force next week pumping up the base....
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It's apparent that the lead has narrowed not because Trump is rising in the polls. We all know his support is limited to those who harbor dark thoughts and the mentally infirm. Clinton's support has wavered severely in the last 2 weeks and that is the only factor in this being closer than it should be.

I think it is ironic that the only reason Trump is anywhere near close in the polls is because the democrats nominated the weakest candidate in terms of personal popularity and favorability in my lifetime by a country mile, and the only reason the republicans aren't going to have a 1984 type landslide is they nominated the most unqualified and dangerous candidate a major party has ever chosen, and fortunately we are not yet a country where the majority are knuckle dragging, rebel flag waiving, 88 tat sporting d ou ch e bags.

It appears as if Clinton is placing the rest of her eggs in the debate baskets. While Trump has virtually no chance of increasing his support via the debate route (as Romney briefly did 4 years ago), I still think Clinton is mistaken if she thinks that will be enough. Her potential to up her support coming out of the debates is certainly strong, but I wish she was out pounding it like she did in the 2 weeks immediately following the convention, which by most accounts was a smashing success for her.
 
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You almost wonder if she has their 2008 primary morons giving her advice again.
 
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I'm not sure it's wise to assume Clinton s making a big strategic mistake or is receiving bad advice. She is married to a pretty savvy campaigner and has been through a lot of campaigns herself. I suspect they have a plan. Up to this point, Trump has been his own worst enemy, and letting him have the microphone has certainly not helped him directly and it is probably giving Clinton a LOT of material for debates and the home stretch.

Trump has no strategy. I think we should assess Clinton's after the debates.
 
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While I think she can win with that strategy...she is making it closer than it needs to be for no reason and risking a lot. When she engages she destroys him and forces him into stupid gaffes. She needs to be back in the news for more than just scandals she needs to act as a leader so the people continue to see the difference between the two. Right now it looks like she is hiding...

If her advisers are worth their salary they are planning a big speech somewhere in middle America right now that hits all the points the Reno speech did. She needs to double down on the Drumpf = Racism meme and she need to up the ante on how she is the candidate for ALL Americans, even the ones who disagree with her. She needs to be about inclusion to counter his obvious stance on exclusion.

Oh and just for good measure she should compare him to Brexit and show how everyone in the world, even people who voted FOR Brexit think it was a terrible idea and the consequences of a protest vote. Right now she needs to make sure the undecideds, the third party people and the middle in general understand how things can play out when they make their choice. She needs to do the Anti-Gore, she needs to be out in front, on TV, making sure everyone sees that.

BTW in the polls that have Stein and Johnson in (on 538) she is still doing pretty well. Johnson definitely is hurting Drumpf more than Stein is hurting her.
 
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burd said:
I'm not sure it's wise to assume Clinton s making a big strategic mistake or is receiving bad advice. She is married to a pretty savvy campaigner and has been through a lot of campaigns herself. I suspect they have a plan. Up to this point, Trump has been his own worst enemy, and letting him have the microphone has certainly not helped him directly and it is probably giving Clinton a LOT of material for debates and the home stretch.

Trump has no strategy. I think we should assess Clinton's after the debates.
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That would be fine if the media wasnt looking to destroy her over the emails. (especially the Times) Right now that is dominating the news cycle and it is starting to hurt her numbers. She needs something positive associated with her name to shift the conversation. Drumpf is holding back right now (outside of going to Mexico) she cant hide in a bunker.
 
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Handyman said:
That would be fine if the media wasnt looking to destroy her over the emails. (especially the Times) Right now that is dominating the news cycle and it is starting to hurt her numbers. She needs something positive associated with her name to shift the conversation. Drumpf is holding back right now (outside of going to Mexico) she cant hide in a bunker.
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I think Dick Cheney has rented it out to Mark Levine.
 
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Handyman said:
That would be fine if the media wasnt looking to destroy her over the emails. (especially the Times) Right now that is dominating the news cycle and it is starting to hurt her numbers. She needs something positive associated with her name to shift the conversation. Drumpf is holding back right now (outside of going to Mexico) she cant hide in a bunker.
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I think you are right there, Handy.
 
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Handyman said:
It isnt All Bad News For Clinton...
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At this point I wouldn't mind if Clinton just started running as a traditional democratic candidate would. Don't worry a whole lot about winning states that your party hasn't won for 20 or 30 years. Yeah it's great that earlier polls showed her winning Georgia, or South Carolina. Yeah it's great that she's doing better than expected in Arizona. But how about worrying mostly right now about Ohio, PA or Florida. Hell, she isn't even winning Iowa anymore, after leading for most of the summer by 5 and 6 points, and Iowa was among the whitest states (maybe THE whitest?) Obama won in both 08 and 12. If I thought she had a chance at a 1984 or 1972 style landslide I could see hanging on to the fantasy of winning 3 or 4 previously deep red states. The message that would be sent by that is that no matter how conservative some of those states are, maybe they aren't as racist as had been feared. Well, that's proving to be untrue. So for the sake of preserving this place so that in another 4 or 8 years we might try again to actually improve it, I just need her to win.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
At this point I wouldn't mind if Clinton just started running as a traditional democratic candidate would. Don't worry a whole lot about winning states that your party hasn't won for 20 or 30 years. Yeah it's great that earlier polls showed her winning Georgia, or South Carolina. Yeah it's great that she's doing better than expected in Arizona. But how about worrying mostly right now about Ohio, PA or Florida. Hell, she isn't even winning Iowa anymore, after leading for most of the summer by 5 and 6 points, and Iowa was among the whitest states (maybe THE whitest?) Obama won in both 08 and 12. If I thought she had a chance at a 1984 or 1972 style landslide I could see hanging on to the fantasy of winning 3 or 4 previously deep red states. The message that would be sent by that is that no matter how conservative some of those states are, maybe they aren't as racist as had been feared. Well, that's proving to be untrue. So for the sake of preserving this place so that in another 4 or 8 years we might try again to actually improve it, I just need her to win.
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I endorse this entirely. Just win. Keep the nutbars away from the Court and the launch codes and worry about the rest later.

The lasting damage of this cycle -- that the deep south and prairie could give a f-ck about "small government" or even "Christian values" and merely vote on pure racist tropes -- can't be unseen by conservative intellectuals. Maybe that recognition, 30 years after the rest of us sussed it out, will inspire a second civil rights movement within their party finally aware of the hatred that still dominates conservative polities (why exempt diapers and laundry detergent from food stamps unless you're making a statement about poverty invoking Reagan's racist welfare queen narrative?). That would be a Good Thing.

But in the meantime, the adults have to stay in charge. Before anything else, this fascist dipsh-t and his merry band of trailer tyrants have to be beaten back. Common sense will destroy them in the long run as long as they gain no power of coercion.
 
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