unofan
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Yeah, and if all these supposedly non-mythical shy Trump voters come out of the woodwork in rural areas, they'll make up all of an extra one percent of the nation's voters.
Sorry, but your concern trolling isn't working.
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Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes early
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Yeah, and if all these supposedly non-mythical shy Trump voters come out of the woodwork in rural areas, they'll make up all of an extra one percent of the nation's voters.
Sorry, but your concern trolling isn't working.
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But your observation about control is true, and I've often thought it raises an interesting point with respect to guarantees such as our constitution provides. Power was once held by tribal leaders, then kings, to be accompanied at some point by the Church and eventually, nation states. Our constitutional protections are designed to protect us from the Church and the nation state. Since our constitution was ratified and emended, new bullies have shown up in the neighborhood: multinational corporations. They have immense power over our lives but are not subject to the protections the constitution gives us against the King/nation state. The language of older supreme court decisions addressing bill of rights issues could apply equally to the powers exercised by large corporate players whose actions affect every aspect of our lives.
But your observation about control is true, and I've often thought it raises an interesting point with respect to guarantees such as our constitution provides. Power was once held by tribal leaders, then kings, to be accompanied at some point by the Church and eventually, nation states. Our constitutional protections are designed to protect us from the Church and the nation state. Since our constitution was ratified and emended, new bullies have shown up in the neighborhood: multinational corporations. They have immense power over our lives but are not subject to the protections the constitution gives us against the King/nation state. The language of older supreme court decisions addressing bill of rights issues could apply equally to the powers exercised by large corporate players whose actions affect every aspect of our lives.
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So...I'm the one who posted the article but I'm the one trying to obfuscate? That doesn't....make....sense..
Buster, look no offense but most Trump guys are like 70 years old, so we've seen the tactics for the last 30 years. A typical knuckledragger attempt is to latch onto some minor point and keep repeating it. You can read and interpret Powell's intention from the article I posted however you like. He seems pretty clear about advising to use private e-mail. Regarding the server thing (which, ya know..I already covered so I won't again) it reminds me of people my age trying to teach our parents how to program the VCR back in the day. The issue seems to be whether or not she could use private e-mail for work. Who cares where the server is for a private e-mail set up???
So, voting for Trump isn't going to help his fans find the Fountain of Middle Age. All that's going to happen when he loses is people half their age are going to be laughing at them. I know I will be.
So...I'm the one who posted the article but I'm the one trying to obfuscate? That doesn't....make....sense..
Buster, look no offense but most Trump guys are like 70 years old, so we've seen the tactics for the last 30 years. A typical knuckledragger attempt is to latch onto some minor point and keep repeating it. You can read and interpret Powell's intention from the article I posted however you like. He seems pretty clear about advising to use private e-mail. Regarding the server thing (which, ya know..I already covered so I won't again) it reminds me of people my age trying to teach our parents how to program the VCR back in the day. The issue seems to be whether or not she could use private e-mail for work. Who cares where the server is for a private e-mail set up???
So, voting for Trump isn't going to help his fans find the Fountain of Middle Age. All that's going to happen when he loses is people half their age are going to be laughing at them. I know I will be.
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Hey, he hooked Scooby, so that's something...
Hey, he hooked Scooby, so that's something...
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It doesn't count if the fish willingly jumps into the boat.
Hey, he hooked Scooby, so that's something...
It doesn't count if the fish willingly jumps into the boat.
Handyman
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And it wont make a difference in the states that matter because most of those rural voters live in states that are decided...unless they all move to Broward County or Pittsburgh
His meme is correct if and only if the Electoral votes are close...right now Drumpf is getting trounced in the EC. Jim Bob isnt going to swing Florida his way and the same holds true in Pennsylvania. Demographics prove this in nearly every model.
And it wont make a difference in the states that matter because most of those rural voters live in states that are decided...unless they all move to Broward County or Pittsburgh
His meme is correct if and only if the Electoral votes are close...right now Drumpf is getting trounced in the EC. Jim Bob isnt going to swing Florida his way and the same holds true in Pennsylvania. Demographics prove this in nearly every model.
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It's official. The President is truly a parasite
http://wtop.com/science/2016/09/barack-obama-is-officially-now-a-parasite-its-an-honor/
It's official. The President is truly a parasite
http://wtop.com/science/2016/09/barack-obama-is-officially-now-a-parasite-its-an-honor/
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Just when you think Trump was done establishing his credentials for the Scumbag Hall of Fame, it turns out he stiffed his Washington D.C. policy staff, prompting them to resign en masse. Now that it's in the news cycle, expect a Trump Tweet about "shoddy policy work" that failed to meet his standards. http://www.mediaite.com/print/trump...en-masse-after-he-never-bothered-paying-them/
Just when you think Trump was done establishing his credentials for the Scumbag Hall of Fame, it turns out he stiffed his Washington D.C. policy staff, prompting them to resign en masse. Now that it's in the news cycle, expect a Trump Tweet about "shoddy policy work" that failed to meet his standards. http://www.mediaite.com/print/trump...en-masse-after-he-never-bothered-paying-them/
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I mean, shoddy policy work should be a pretty easy sell.
Also, Trump got sued this week by the creepy USA Freedom dancing kids for getting stiffed too.
I mean, shoddy policy work should be a pretty easy sell.
Also, Trump got sued this week by the creepy USA Freedom dancing kids for getting stiffed too.
The Sicatoka
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes e
I hope those folks that were stiffed can pull out a signed contract and nail him for what's due. If not, those folks learned a hard lesson: that a verbal agreement is not worth the paper it's written on, or put another way, talk's cheap and it takes money to buy whiskey.
I hope those folks that were stiffed can pull out a signed contract and nail him for what's due. If not, those folks learned a hard lesson: that a verbal agreement is not worth the paper it's written on, or put another way, talk's cheap and it takes money to buy whiskey.
The Sicatoka
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The bold may be the smartest thing you've ever written here (and it's probably best for both of us as well). What your "these folks" linked list misses out on is the list of companies controlled by Clinton and Obama donors George Soros and Warren Buffet. (The Berkshire interlink list must be, wait for it, ... yuuuuuge!) Trump's no better; he's declared bankruptcy so many times he has to be owned and re-re-remortgaged by the banks more times than any of us can count.
The last sentence reads like you've been listening to a whole lotta Clyde Lewis, Alex Jones, George Noory talk radio.
But a quote in your last link nails the issue: "A large number of Americans are not living up to their potential; ..." That may well sum up the "rural Pennsylvania" article I posted earlier. Those rural, working, middle class people, right or wrong, believe their pulling their weight but that many other Americans are riding along for free. Somehow Trump tapped into that feeling and that's his 40ish% immovable base.
The bold may be the smartest thing you've ever written here (and it's probably best for both of us as well). What your "these folks" linked list misses out on is the list of companies controlled by Clinton and Obama donors George Soros and Warren Buffet. (The Berkshire interlink list must be, wait for it, ... yuuuuuge!) Trump's no better; he's declared bankruptcy so many times he has to be owned and re-re-remortgaged by the banks more times than any of us can count.
The last sentence reads like you've been listening to a whole lotta Clyde Lewis, Alex Jones, George Noory talk radio.
But a quote in your last link nails the issue: "A large number of Americans are not living up to their potential; ..." That may well sum up the "rural Pennsylvania" article I posted earlier. Those rural, working, middle class people, right or wrong, believe their pulling their weight but that many other Americans are riding along for free. Somehow Trump tapped into that feeling and that's his 40ish% immovable base.
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They're not necessarily even working though! I've mentioned this before but that's how the con works. People in rural PA might be on unemployment, but that's okay because their hard working folks who want a job but can't find one. But those people on unemployment over in California or Rhode Island? Total moochers, every one of 'em! Unless of course their friends or relatives of the PA people. Then they're just down on their luck and deserve govt assistance until they can find a job.
This worked great in the '80's (welfare queens). It had a revival in the 2000's due to the proliferation of right wing media. Nowadays its confined to older white seniors mostly. Romney ran a dog whistle campaign on this very notion until he got videotaped saying it to fat cat donors. Trump doing the same only loud and proud.
They're not necessarily even working though! I've mentioned this before but that's how the con works. People in rural PA might be on unemployment, but that's okay because their hard working folks who want a job but can't find one. But those people on unemployment over in California or Rhode Island? Total moochers, every one of 'em!
Unless of course their friends or relatives of the PA people. Then they're just down on their luck and deserve govt assistance until they can find a job. This worked great in the '80's (welfare queens). It had a revival in the 2000's due to the proliferation of right wing media. Nowadays its confined to older white seniors mostly. Romney ran a dog whistle campaign on this very notion until he got videotaped saying it to fat cat donors. Trump doing the same only loud and proud.
The Sicatoka
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If you believe Gary Johnson's, or Trump's, or Hillary's answer about Aleppo (or Alpo, or some Pokemon Go character, ) will swing this election then I guess I shan't be afraid of you.
To coin a phrase, in the end, as always, "It's the economy ... " and the turnout.
If you believe Gary Johnson's, or Trump's, or Hillary's answer about Aleppo (or Alpo, or some Pokemon Go character,
) will swing this election then I guess I shan't be afraid of you. To coin a phrase, in the end, as always, "It's the economy ... " and the turnout.
The Sicatoka
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Please go back and read the article about the author who drove through rural PA. Yes, pure and complete anecdote; however, behind every anecdote is one case of reality. Those folks are working, employed or running a business, but also worried about what is next for their kids and grandkids.
This group, they haven't been showing up of late to the polls. I guess McCain or Romney wasn't for them. Is Trump? Time will tell. But, if they show, and if Hillary can not get the ObamaNation out as in 2008 and 2012, that is the Trump formula. I understand the raw numbers aren't there; the population is in 146 counties. But a lot of a little can beat a little of a lot if the little of a lot doesn't show up.
I'm not saying it'll happen, but I do believe it still has more than a puncher's chance. And as Scoob says, it shouldn't be that way for Mrs. Clinton right now.
All I know is that come November 9, I'm going to wake up sick to my stomach either way.
Please go back and read the article about the author who drove through rural PA. Yes, pure and complete anecdote; however, behind every anecdote is one case of reality. Those folks are working, employed or running a business, but also worried about what is next for their kids and grandkids.
This group, they haven't been showing up of late to the polls. I guess McCain or Romney wasn't for them. Is Trump? Time will tell. But, if they show, and if Hillary can not get the ObamaNation out as in 2008 and 2012, that is the Trump formula. I understand the raw numbers aren't there; the population is in 146 counties. But a lot of a little can beat a little of a lot if the little of a lot doesn't show up.
I'm not saying it'll happen, but I do believe it still has more than a puncher's chance. And as Scoob says, it shouldn't be that way for Mrs. Clinton right now.
All I know is that come November 9, I'm going to wake up sick to my stomach either way.
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It depends on what the verbal agreement is and whom it is with. Some people are still good for their word. In fact, most people still are.
It depends on what the verbal agreement is and whom it is with. Some people are still good for their word. In fact, most people still are.
The Sicatoka
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If people were still good for their word you wouldn't need lawyers, paper, and ink. The only things I do without paperwork are things that are of a value that I'm willing to lose. Cynical? Yup.
If people were still good for their word you wouldn't need lawyers, paper, and ink. The only things I do without paperwork are things that are of a value that I'm willing to lose. Cynical? Yup.
Handyman
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So the Wikileaks reveal is that apparently the Clinton Campaign threatened Sanders and his wife to get him to drop out. First of all I dont buy it, second of all why would they risk threatening him when he lost? Even better does anyone believe Sanders wouldnt have gone public about that stuff? Somebody is trolling Wikileaks...
So the Wikileaks reveal is that apparently the Clinton Campaign threatened Sanders and his wife to get him to drop out. First of all I dont buy it, second of all why would they risk threatening him when he lost? Even better does anyone believe Sanders wouldnt have gone public about that stuff? Somebody is trolling Wikileaks...
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes e
Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up.
Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes e
Sic I read your article and I'm having a little trouble buying it, but as you say we'll find out in Nov. I highly doubt these people haven't been voting Republican previously. The author shows no evidence that they haven't. Some of the Obamacare comments in there make me real suspicious for example.
Beyond that though you bring up good points in that Dems need to show up, but haven't they been the last 6 Presidential elections? A Republican has received more votes than a Democrat exactly once (2004) in Presidential contests going back 24 years. I do think Trump will max out on voters like the ones in your article. However, he's hemorrhaging educated voters at a similar rate. That means he needs uneducated whites to overwhelm the system. Lets look at the #s.
In 2012 the Uneducated white/Educated white/Minority % of the voting pool was 36/36/28. For Trump to hit parity in 2016 from that CNN poll that had him at 49%-48%, the split was 50/24/26. No need to unskewer anything here. What its saying is Trump needs an unprecedented surge in non-educated whites at the expense of the other two categories, even though the other two categories are increasing while uneducated whites aren't.
Can that happen? Sure. Anything's possible. Will it? IMHO that's not very likely. Its not hard to make Scooby pee his pants, but this race is where Hillary needs it to be if you're a realistic person. Trump will win his 42-45% of the vote depending on Gary Johnson's appeal. That's just how the electorate is made up at this point. Anybody looking for a 1984 type victory needs to wake up.
Sic I read your article and I'm having a little trouble buying it, but as you say we'll find out in Nov. I highly doubt these people haven't been voting Republican previously. The author shows no evidence that they haven't. Some of the Obamacare comments in there make me real suspicious for example.
Beyond that though you bring up good points in that Dems need to show up, but haven't they been the last 6 Presidential elections? A Republican has received more votes than a Democrat exactly once (2004) in Presidential contests going back 24 years. I do think Trump will max out on voters like the ones in your article. However, he's hemorrhaging educated voters at a similar rate. That means he needs uneducated whites to overwhelm the system. Lets look at the #s.
In 2012 the Uneducated white/Educated white/Minority % of the voting pool was 36/36/28. For Trump to hit parity in 2016 from that CNN poll that had him at 49%-48%, the split was 50/24/26. No need to unskewer anything here. What its saying is Trump needs an unprecedented surge in non-educated whites at the expense of the other two categories, even though the other two categories are increasing while uneducated whites aren't.
Can that happen? Sure. Anything's possible. Will it? IMHO that's not very likely. Its not hard to make Scooby pee his pants, but this race is where Hillary needs it to be if you're a realistic person. Trump will win his 42-45% of the vote depending on Gary Johnson's appeal. That's just how the electorate is made up at this point. Anybody looking for a 1984 type victory needs to wake up.
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