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Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!

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Here's where you have to admire the Clinton campaign. They are absolutely relentless in portraying everything Trump does as that of the moves of a deranged lunatic huckster. This immigration "pivot" will also be viewed with that lens.

Same thing with that absurd sensational AP story about the Clinton Foundation. They ripped them to shreds inside of two days. If this was the Kerry campaign they'd be waiting around until election day for the media to correct themselves.
 
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Rover said:
Here's where you have to admire the Clinton campaign. They are absolutely relentless in portraying everything Trump does as that of the moves of a deranged lunatic huckster. This immigration "pivot" will also be viewed with that lens.

Same thing with that absurd sensational AP story about the Clinton Foundation. They ripped them to shreds inside of two days. If this was the Kerry campaign they'd be waiting around until election day for the media to correct themselves.
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You're right about this. Imagine how Dukakis would have hemmed and hawed. Imagine how Gore would have taken the academic high road and gotten destroyed at town halls and diner stops.

The Clintons were already a tight ship back in '92 and they've only gotten better. It helps to have a good product to push out the door (when people say Chelsea is going to run someday I laugh my fanny off -- there is no way on God's green earth that either she or her robo-call-come-to-life-huckster-husband will ever be elected dog catcher), but my goodness the Clintons are, outside the horse race and who one is rooting for, a perfect killing machine when it comes to campaigning. They are terrifyingly efficient.
 
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Clinton campaign was brilliant in setting up Media Matters, run by a former right wing hatchet man who knows all the media tricks. They let no story go unanswered and let no one off the hook. This is going to be the template for campaigns going forward. Have your own media shop instead of only your campaign continually pushing back on negative stories from the lazy mainstream press looking to push easy but sensational headlines. That allows the campaign to stay on message regarding Trump.

This really does remind me of the '88 campaign in reverse.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Mylan can go **** themselves.
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Here's an article with Mylan CEO Heather Bresch's response to criticism.


Mrs. Bresch says that if they lowered retail they wouldn't be able to provide the drug for free to lower income people, and (no doubt as a result of publicity) they are now going to expand that program to include 4x federal poverty level.

Which is pretty much how all drug companies operate, especially the last few years in my experience. Aren't they nice?

But wait... If nearly everyone has insurance now, who the heck are they giving it away to? Well, everyone below 4x federal poverty level, of course. (a little under $64k total for a couple)
Charging a working class couple double or triple for a necessity and giving it away to a couple making $40k so they don't have to even pay a deductible or co-pay is more efficient for the insurance and pharma company than trying to chase after $ from a lower income couple who statistically is more likely to end up in a collection. (But really it's because they're nice.)

The health industry and the ACA is rife with hidden or unregulated redistributions like this.
 
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Ipsos just released a huge dump of state polls for 45 states. This is very good because many states had few (or zero) data points from good pollsters since Spring or even last Winter.

As a whole the polls themselves look pretty much to be expected although MO has Clinton way up, which is very hard to believe.

One thing that seems pretty safe now is that UT will not be getting anywhere close to blue despite Mormons' disgust with Trump. When you start out as R +47.9(!) even a 35-point slide still leave R with a comfortable double-digit win.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Here's an article with Mylan CEO Heather Bresch's response to criticism.


Mrs. Bresch says that if they lowered retail they wouldn't be able to provide the drug for free to lower income people, and (no doubt as a result of publicity) they are now going to expand that program to include 4x federal poverty level.

Which is pretty much how all drug companies operate, especially the last few years in my experience. Aren't they nice?

But wait... If nearly everyone has insurance now, who the heck are they giving it away to? Well, everyone below 4x federal poverty level, of course. (a little under $64k total for a couple)
Charging a working class couple double or triple for a necessity and giving it away to a couple making $40k so they don't have to even pay a deductible or co-pay is more efficient for the insurance and pharma company than trying to chase after $ from a lower income couple who statistically is more likely to end up in a collection. (But really it's because they're nice.)

The health industry and the ACA is rife with hidden or unregulated redistributions like this.
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I still don't understand. They're the manufacturer. The distributions/discounting should be done at the government and insurance company level. Not at the pharma level. This system is completely wack.
 
Kepler said:
Ipsos just released a huge dump of state polls for 45 states. This is very good because many states had few (or zero) data points from good pollsters since Spring or even last Winter.

As a whole the polls themselves look pretty much to be expected although MO has Clinton way up, which is very hard to believe.

One thing that seems pretty safe now is that UT will not be getting anywhere close to blue despite Mormons' disgust with Trump. When you start out as R +47.9(!) even a 35-point slide still leave R with a comfortable double-digit win.
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Trump +3 in Maine was surprising to me.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It's a total flip flop. But, I listened to a few smart pundits the other day explain why Hillary isn't going after the flip flopping. And the reason is the flip flopping isn't clear. His positions have been all over the map. He's so schizophrenic about everything that trying to pin flip flopper on him is a fruitless exercise.
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The pundit is correct...she gains zero by doing it. People can see the truth he makes it too obvious :)
 
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Kepler said:
That might not be Trump's fault. My understanding is the state party is responsible for those mechanics. But if I were the national campaign coordinator I would certainly have verified something that basic.
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The MN Republican party hasn't registered Trump with the state elections board because the state party doesn't want Trump weighing down the rest of the down ticket candidates.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
How do these ****ing ********s get elected?

http://www.pressherald.com/2016/08/...kers-arrested-in-maine-are-black-or-hispanic/
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Here's the thing with that story: If Lapage (big IF, it appears) is telling the truth about keeping a binder of all the drug dealer arrests made in ME since his last comments, AND his figures are anywhere near accurate, that points the finger at either an issue with the various police forces in ME or a lot of minority drug dealers who also happen to be exceedingly stupid.

What's worse is that if Lapage's numbers are correct, and the state legislator lambasting the governor's figures, giving the police more "resources they need" won't address the institutional racism present, only allow for more overall arrests. It's like trying to put out a fire by throwing gasoline at the flame.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Apparently even with Trump at the top the GOP will have it's stranglehold on everything else. Thank goodness they'll at least lose the Supreme Court.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/u...ck-senate.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
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The predictions I have seen have varied been D52 and D50. They haven't blown it yet.

I think the House is a longshot, though, unless Trump really does cause a mass AWOL of R support in November.
 
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