Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

[5mn_Major]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Unless we've declared war on Russia without my noticing, treason is a complete non-starter.

Espionage is the technical term. Most Americans would agree that giving our military secrets to our top enemies is a form of treason regardless of when it occurs.

Find the treasonous act in the bolded portion.

Hint: It does not involve "hope", but would involve rewards or compensation (aka "giving aid"). And I hope no member of the media would be dumb enough to do it.

Trump said he 'hopes' that top US secrets fall into the hands of the Russians. If some said they 'hope' ill will befalls a president, they will find that words like that aren't just hallow.

Could someone explain to me why y'all're more concerned about the source of the leaked e-mails than what the e-mails uncovered?

What Hillary did was wrong, but she didn't purposefully try to compromise our country. We're concerned whether a president Trump will sell out the country's secrets to hamper his domestic opponents.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Obama's defense of republicanism against the rise of Caesarism:



And:

Uhhh... wasn't Obummer attributed to being a messiah? Someone that will save the country? What hypocritical ******.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

What Hillary did was wrong, but she didn't purposefully try to compromise our country. We're concerned whether a president Trump will sell out the country's secrets to hamper his domestic opponents.

How can he possibly sell out a secret that's already been sold out? If you're trying to pull a quote from Twain, Trump's not the one opening his mouth in this case.

 

[Rogie21]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Uhhh... wasn't Obummer attributed to being a messiah? Someone that will save the country? What hypocritical ******.

If you look back at who was spouting the "messiah" term, it was largely the right using it derogatorily, pushing back against the "yes we can" chants of Obama's supporters. The same folks call Obama weak in one instance and then call him a dictator in another.

 

[Kepler]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Haters gonna hate. The divergence of the hard right from the rest of the country gets wider and wilder every day. The difference now is the center right and professional Republicans are no longer giving them cover.

 

[alfablue]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Uhhh... wasn't Obummer attributed to being a messiah? Someone that will save the country? What hypocritical ******.

The last time I checked, the only people who were labeling Obama as messiah were the right, trying to belittle those who supported him and Obama himself.

Given how the right is so very "christian", it's kind of surprising they go and use the word Messiah like that. To me, it also belittles the actual Messiah when they did that.

Then again, the tone from Republican's hasn't changed much- it's still cynical, bitter, and fearful.

 

[alfablue]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Could someone explain to me why y'all're more concerned about the source of the leaked e-mails than what the e-mails uncovered?

What Hillary did was wrong, but she didn't purposefully try to compromise our country. We're concerned whether a president Trump will sell out the country's secrets to hamper his domestic opponents.

Uh, for the emails recently compromised- did Hillary do wrong, or did the DNC do wrong?

And if the DNC did wrong, repercussions were- the chair resigned. Good. The person who was absolutely most effected as the direct target of the plans has conceded and endorsed Clinon. Good. And items that the person who was the target wanted to see on the platform did actually get on the Democratic platform for this election cycle. Good.

It sucks that they were biased, sure. But it seems to have been solved quickly.

Unlike the multiple days it took to get to the bottom of a simple speech.

Now we have the other candidate trying to do a very public version of Watergate via an outside country- one who has been our political rival for almost 100 years. And you brush that off????

As for the Secretary's e-mails in her job, when we start looking at prosecuting people in the Bush administration, then we can talk about Secretary Clinton. Talk about being hypocritical- as of yet, nobody has gotten prosecuted for outing a CIA operative, when the President told us he would. Not some risk of a possible exposure of some possible files, maybe. Let alone, the personal e-mails that were used for work in a PUBLIC server.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

The last time I checked, the only people who were labeling Obama as messiah were the right, trying to belittle those who supported him and Obama himself.

Given how the right is so very "christian", it's kind of surprising they go and use the word Messiah like that. To me, it also belittles the actual Messiah when they did that.

Then again, the tone from Republican's hasn't changed much- it's still cynical, bitter, and fearful.

Weren't they treating him like messiah saviour in 2008 without actually using the term? I know y'all have a habit of changing definitions in order to fit an agenda, but if it looks, walks, and talks like a duck...

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Uh, for the emails recently compromised- did Hillary do wrong, or did the DNC do wrong?

And if the DNC did wrong, repercussions were- the chair resigned. Good. The person who was absolutely most effected as the direct target of the plans has conceded and endorsed Clinon. Good. And items that the person who was the target wanted to see on the platform did actually get on the Democratic platform for this election cycle. Good.

It sucks that they were biased, sure. But it seems to have been solved quickly.

Unlike the multiple days it took to get to the bottom of a simple speech.

As for the Secretary's e-mails in her job, when we start looking at prosecuting people in the Bush administration, then we can talk about Secretary Clinton. Talk about being hypocritical- as of yet, nobody has gotten prosecuted for outing a CIA operative, when the President told us he would. Not some risk of a possible exposure of some possible files, maybe. Let alone, the personal e-mails that were used for work in a PUBLIC server.

Bring your cases forward. They will come under advisement.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Funny thing is, we saw all this beneath-the-rug-sweeping when Benghazi happened. Pulling the wool over the eyes has become the trademark move of all politicians.

 

[alfablue]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Weren't they treating him like messiah saviour in 2008 without actually using the term? I know y'all have a habit of changing definitions in order to fit an agenda, but if it looks, walks, and talks like a duck...

No.

Again YOU were seeing it that way. Geez.

Or are you so anti-hope that anytime someone comes with an effective campaign based on Hope that you have to use the Messiah label??? I don't get it.

If you call Obama a Messiah because he had his speech in a packed stadium, then you should also bow down to celebrities that draw big crowds, spend more more time at the alter of the NFL, etc.

 

[alfablue]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Bring your cases forward. They will come under advisement.

Valerie Plame?

You make up memories of worship but forget rather obvious exposures of active CIA agents?

Then you complain about rug sweeping, when you swept the rug out of the entire house. You deserve a glass belly button award, very certainly.

And here's a Newsweek article pointing out that both Rice and Powell did exactly the same thing with emails as Clinton- http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/19/colin-powell-emails-hillary-clinton-424187.html

Since they did it first, and still deserve some kind of quick trial- I would expect both of them to face a jury well ahead of Clinton.

edit #2- NYT- http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/u...kerry-condeleezza-rice-colin-powell.html?_r=0

"the Hill" http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...ezza-rice-staff-received-classified-emails-on

 

[alfablue]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Funny thing is, we saw all this beneath-the-rug-sweeping when Benghazi happened. Pulling the wool over the eyes has become the trademark move of all politicians.

Funny think is that NOBODY REMEMBERS Bin Laden. Ever. What's up with that?

She was there, too. And given her position, HER people were directly involved with that, too.

Why do we focus on failures and forget successes?

 

[joecct]

Funny think is that NOBODY REMEMBERS Bin Laden. Ever. What's up with that?

She was there, too. And given her position, HER people were directly involved with that, too.

Why do we focus on failures and forget successes?

Because failures are spectacular. Some "tragedy" then occurs which brings out the (a) hand wringers and (b) the vengeful mob. Plus anger sells on TV/radio.

Tonight HRC makes her case on why she should be president. How she sells herself will be a large part on how the undecideds will view her.

 

[Kepler]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Tonight HRC makes her case on why she should be president. How she sells herself will be a large part on how the undecideds will view her.

I can't imagine there are any undecideds. This election pits two public figures who have been well known for over 25 years. Nobody is going to wake up the day after the speech and say, "now there's something I hadn't thought of."

These are two diametrically opposed views of the world: midnight tweet vs detailed policy statement, war lord vs subcommittee, "The Strongman" vs "it takes a village," Calvera vs The Seven. Their Venn diagrams have zero intersection. Nobody who seriously considers one is going to seriously consider the other, let alone vote for them.

Turnout. It's what's for November.

 

[Rover]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

So after the first 3 days of the DNC you knuckledraggers have to realize that you're fuked, right?

Solid case for Hillary and against Trump, and they've handled the Sanders matter beautifully. I love how the press is doing comparisons of speakers at the same time slot in each convention. Like Joe Biden vs the guy who runs Trump vineyards and Barack Obama vs Chachi and stuff like that. Just shows where the sane people are.

Lastly, I'm very amused by the so called independent thinkers out here being led around by the nose by the lamestream media. This Trump-Russia thing is a disaster for his campaign. Its a disaster because it reinforces the overall Dem message about Trump, which is that he's a dangerous lunatic. Its no more complicated than that, and every time he speaks he reinforces the image. Trump desperately needs to get out of the box of crabby old uneducated white guys. The first people he needs to win back are educated whites. His bromance with good buddy Vlady Putin doesn't help, it kills him. Winning the press cycle isn't the point no matter how much the media wants you to think it is.

 

[SJHovey]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

So after the first 3 days of the DNC you knuckledraggers have to realize that you're fuked, right?

Once it became apparent it was going to be Trump vs. HRC, a lot of people came to that realization. These last three days haven't changed anything.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Uhhh... wasn't Obummer attributed to being a messiah? Someone that will save the country? What hypocritical ******.

This is a phenomenally stupid comment.

 

[Rover]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

This is a phenomenally stupid comment.

Just Flaggy bein' Flaggy!

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Funny think is that NOBODY REMEMBERS Bin Laden. Ever. What's up with that?

She was there, too. And given her position, HER people were directly involved with that, too.

Why do we focus on failures and forget successes?

They still haven't proved he died at that moment. Why do you think every person that carried out the operation was killed?