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Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

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The Sicatoka said:
I'm not defending. I'm pointing out that some of the anti-Trump rhetoric and tactic is despicable just as some of the anti-Clinton rhetoric and tactic is is deplorable.
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Yes, commenting on Trump's taxes is just the same as the made up crap Hillary's been dealing with for 30 years.

BSABSVR at its finest.
 
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unofan said:
Yeah, sure it is. That's why you ostensibly support a guy (Johnson) that would lower taxes on the rich. Because it's so unfair how they get away with not paying enough...
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A flat rate without the mechanisms Trump used to avoid taxes would be better.
 
The Sicatoka said:
A flat rate without the mechanisms Trump used to avoid taxes would be better.
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No it wouldn't, because you'd be harming millions of poor people who already don't have enough money to make ends meet. That's not better.

You can eliminate loopholes without giving up the progressive tax structure. Having different tax brackets isn't what makes taxes hard.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
No, it wouldn't. A flat rate is a regressive tax rate that overburdens the lowest income brackets.
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Flat Rate works if you exempt up to a certain amount for everybody. In fact I'd say if they leave payroll taxes the way they are they can exempt income taxes up to the point where we stop paying payroll taxes.

This would also mean that everyone is paying Federal Taxes on their income. Problem solved.
 
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Exempt the first < number here > of actual earned (W-2) income plus an adder exemption for kids. Flat after that. Done.

(EDIT: Looks like Scoob beat me to it.)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Exempt the first < number here > of actual earned (W-2) income plus an adder exemption for kids. Flat after that. Done.
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Giving a huge tax break to millionaires, who would see their rate drop, at the expense of the middle class, whose rates would rise. Good call. :rolleyes:
 
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unofan said:
Giving a huge tax break to millionaires, who would see their rate drop, at the expense of the middle class, whose rates would rise. Good call. :rolleyes:
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I'm middle class and I would see a huge tax break under my plan. Not sure what you're not seeing.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Flat Rate works if you exempt up to a certain amount for everybody. In fact I'd say if they leave payroll taxes the way they are they can exempt income taxes up to the point where we stop paying payroll taxes.

This would also mean that everyone is paying Federal Taxes on their income. Problem solved.
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The problem that many will pose to you Scoob is the 1% doesn't have W-2 income but has 1099 income. What about that? I'd say treat W-2 and 1099 income the exact same. <-- I just lost any and every election right there.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
The problem that many will pose to you Scoob is the 1% doesn't have W-2 income but has 1099 income. What about that? I'd say treat W-2 and 1099 income the exact same. <-- I just lost any and every election right there.
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Income = Income under my plan. So, yes, I agree with you. I do not understand why capital is gold and labor is **** in this country. That needs to change.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
He's just mad his candidate is going down hard.
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No Sica is not voting for Drumpf...now if you said he is mad his party is the joke of politics and seems to plan to be for the next few elections THEN you would be correct :D
 
ScoobyDoo said:
I'm middle class and I would see a huge tax break under my plan. Not sure what you're not seeing.
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The flat rate would not be 15% or whatever number the fair tax people use. It'd be closer to 25%, or even way higher depending on how much income you exempt and whether you eliminate other taxes like the payroll tax or FICA. Most people in this country never hit the 25% tax bracket.
 
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unofan said:
Giving a huge tax break to millionaires, who would see their rate drop, at the expense of the middle class, whose rates would rise. Good call. :rolleyes:
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Exactly. Flat Tax Society = Flat Earth Society. Give up it guys. The theory has been disproven.

Big problem with flat tax is what uno alluded to. In order to maintain existing revenues flat tax level would have to be higher than what all but the rich already pay. Essentially they once again get the biggest tax cut, while middle class to upper middle class take it in the shorts. No thanks, for the umpteenth time. :rolleyes: Its the kind of idea that appeals to 1) the rich who are stealthily getting a big tax cut, or 2) simpletons.
 
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unofan said:
The flat rate would not be 15% or whatever number the fair tax people use. It'd be closer to 25%. Most people in this country never hit the 25% tax bracket.
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LOL.

My first 100K is free. Which means my effective rate is 0%.
 
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Rover said:
Exactly. Flat Tax Society = Flat Earth Society. Give up it guys. The theory has been disproven.

Big problem with flat tax is what uno alluded to. In order to maintain existing revenues flat tax level would have to be higher than what all but the rich already pay. Essentially they once again get the biggest tax cut, while middle class to upper middle class take it in the shorts. No thanks, for the umpteenth time. :rolleyes: Its the kind of idea that appeals to 1) the rich who are stealthily getting a big tax cut, or 2) simpletons.
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Wrong. The current tax system is killing the middle class and benefiting the rich more than Sica and my tax plan.
 
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Handyman said:
No Sica is not voting for Drumpf...now if you said he is mad his party is the joke of politics and seems to plan to be for the next few elections THEN you would be correct :D
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According to the September poll, none of us are voting for Trump. :eek:
 
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