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Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was In)

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5mn_Major said:
Yeah. Tonight, tD was two hours of religion.
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Nope.

Kep - the way tD turned and his facial expressions reminded me of newsreels from the 30s. But was it Il Duce or Adolph?? The crowd noise though.... I felt I was watching Biography with Mike Wallace all over again.

Scary.

The right words were said and the compassion was there, but HOW IN THE HECK ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT!!!!

Take the unemployed and ship tbem to AZ and build that wall! Pay them $20/hr! Then ship them to wherever and rebuild our bridges and infrastructure! Full employment!!

But where are you getting the money? It doesn't grow on trees.

But Hilary - what about you? Do you want a permanent Dolist class that lives for the Basic Living Allowance? They'll vote for you as long as that check keeps coming. The minute the checks stop though, the Storming of the Bastille will be looked upon as a peaceful protest march when compared to the angry hordes.

Money does not grow on trees.

Every dollar that leaves this country via imports means a dollar lost to this economy. How will the three of you keep the $$$ in the good old USA so it can be used by Americans for Americans.

So yeah they both scare me but for different reasons.

Handy - nope. As Ted! said, "Vote your conscience."
 
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Stewart finally gets to do his Daily Show shtick on major network TV. And what an evisceration of Sean Hannity, holy hell.
 
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joecct said:
The right words were said and the compassion was there, but HOW IN THE HECK ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT!!!!

Take the unemployed and ship tbem to AZ and build that wall! Pay them $20/hr! Then ship them to wherever and rebuild our bridges and infrastructure! Full employment!!

But where are you getting the money? It doesn't grow on trees.
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Borrow it. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Populism doesn't care.

joecct said:
Every dollar that leaves this country via imports means a dollar lost to this economy. How will the three of you keep the $$$ in the good old USA so it can be used by Americans for Americans.
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Free trade is not a danger. Isolationism is. The US has competitive advantages in tech, content and services. We might give up some low skilled jobs with free trade. But it generates white collar jobs as we sell more overseas. So free trade is at worst a break even...at best it replaces poorer jobs for much better jobs. If that weren't enough, free trade lowers the price of goods we do import. So if you save $5 on towels, $30 on jeans, and $10 on your tool kit...guess what you have lots more money to spend on other stuff.

Akron may not like it, but for most Americans free trade is a win.
 
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joecct said:
Handy - nope. As Ted! said, "Vote your conscience."
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It still boggles my mind he said that...first time I ever respected that waste of carbon :D

Was there any truth to what Kep said the bloggers were saying that it was a quarter empty at the RNC tonight? I am not sure I would buy it but if there is any truth to the rumor then that really puts a wrench into the meme that Drumpf will win all the white vote.
 
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5mn_Major said:
So if you save $5 on towels, $30 on jeans, and $10 on your tool kit...guess what you have lots more money to spend on other stuff.

Akron may not like it, but for most Americans free trade is a win.
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It's not that simple, because moving all that production off shore drives lower skilled labor into crap retail jobs or onto the dole. There is a break-even point, but it's different for different classes. For the people no longer making the jeans at $30 more, they have no money to buy anything, cheap or otherwise.

Still, protectionism doesn't solve the problem because in a global economy the profit motive is still removed from the employer to hire expensive US labor. If only there was some way to capture the increased productivity of American labor and return it to US workers...
 
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Handyman said:
It still boggles my mind he said that...first time I ever respected that waste of carbon :D

Was there any truth to what Kep said the bloggers were saying that it was a quarter empty at the RNC tonight? I am not sure I would buy it but if there is any truth to the rumor then that really puts a wrench into the meme that Drumpf will win all the white vote.
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On PBS they mentioned that the arena did fill back up for Trump. They may have let everybody in to avoid the bad optics of an empty place, but I'll bet the Cruzites came just to see if the freak would so something awful.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Tonight was the best evidence yet, that outside of a couple of issues (immigration), he is not a conservative.
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Those screams you heard were NRO pundits ritually disembowling one another with their Grover Norquist-autographed quills.

Trump finally did what the whole convention ought to have done: make a positive case for change. He attacked the right villains and appealed to the nativists. He committed a dozen conservative heresies and we'll find out who is on the gravy train and who is an unreconstructured movement conservative starting tomorrow. Because here's the thing: Trump just made himself the mortal enemy of movement conservatism. If he does well with this message that cabal will be out on their ear after owning the Republican party since 1978. None of these people has ever held a real job. They're going to be seriously spooked.

My guess:

Genuinely Happy: I dunno... Drudge, maybe? The nutbar right -- Alex Jones, those types? Flaggy help me out here, who actually digs this guy? People who sell gold futures.

Grin and Bear It: RNC (because they have to), Ryan, McConnell, Fox News, the glossy conservarags except for National Review, the second tier mimeographs like Washington Times and the grade school bloids like NY Post, Boston Herald, etc., Rush, the bought-off fundies (Falwell, Perkins)

Deep Hurting: Non-Rush Hate Radio, Cruz, the apocalyptic fundies who are on the God channels at 2 a.m., NR/NRO and the "intellectual" (cough) hard right, the Neocons and generally speaking anybody who knew Leo Strauss when he was just Plato from the block
 
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Kepler said:
It's not that simple, because moving all that production off shore drives lower skilled labor into crap retail jobs or onto the dole. There is a break-even point, but it's different for different classes. For the people no longer making the jeans at $30 more, they have no money to buy anything, cheap or otherwise.

Still, protectionism doesn't solve the problem because in a global economy the profit motive is still removed from the employer to hire expensive US labor. If only there was some way to capture the increased productivity of American labor and return it to US workers...
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That is true. Nothing is good at the extreme and there is a break even.

But erring on the side of free trade (rather than protectionism) is typically a significant improvement. There's going to be job losses which ever way you go...but it might as well be jobs that are inefficient, low paying, unskilled and jobs for which the US is poorly suited. The key is to make sure that sectors and folks that gain are taxed appropriately and funds are used for retraining and developing new sectors where the disadvantaged can transition and we can win.
 
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5mn_Major said:
But erring on the side of free trade (rather than protectionism) is typically a significant improvement.
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I agree with this, and in fact it's one area that I always parted ways with Bernie. Unconditional basic income and aggressive redistribution via taxation is the eventual way to enjoy the efficiency of free trade without harming the working class. In the meantime we should make do with a generous welfare state. In either case, free health care, day care and education are essential. Those things are investments in tomorrow's labor force. They should not be left to the indignity of the market.
 
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Kepler said:
My guess:

Genuinely Happy: I dunno... Drudge, maybe? The nutbar right -- Alex Jones, those types? Flaggy help me out here, who actually digs this guy? People who sell gold futures.

Grin and Bear It: RNC (because they have to), Ryan, McConnell, Fox News, the glossy conservarags except for National Review, the second tier mimeographs like Washington Times and the grade school bloids like NY Post, Boston Herald, etc., Rush, the bought-off fundies (Falwell, Perkins)

Deep Hurting: Non-Rush Hate Radio, Cruz, the apocalyptic fundies who are on the God channels at 2 a.m., NR/NRO/American Spectator and the "intellectual" (cough) hard right, the Neocons and generally speaking anybody who knew Leo Strauss when he was just Plato from the block
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Romney is probably in that "Deep Hurting" category at the moment. I'd buy the man a root beer - I genuinely feel kind of bad for him. He seems like one of the last guys who is a sane conservative, and for the right reasons (even if those reasons are wrong :p)
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Romney is probably in that "Deep Hurting" category at the moment. I'd buy the man a root beer - I genuinely feel kind of bad for him. He seems like one of the last guys who is a sane conservative, and for the right reasons (even if those reasons are wrong :p)
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Good call. Romney is just praying Trump doesn't do better than he did. Maybe he'll call a Mormon fatwa to cost him UT and AZ.

Oh, God, how could I forget? These people are DEEP HURTING.
 
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On the other hand, I don't feel bad for the Bushes at all, except maybe Barbara. She had the smarts to tell Jebbers that he was a fool. Clearly that came from the Pierce side of the family.
 
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7 pages on Trumps speech, you guys were busy last night. Can't wait to read the glowing reports from the Dem convention
 
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Kepler said:
I agree with this, and in fact it's one area that I always parted ways with Bernie. Unconditional basic income and aggressive redistribution via taxation is the eventual way to enjoy the efficiency of free trade without harming the working class. In the meantime we should make do with a generous welfare state. In either case, free health care, day care and education are essential. Those things are investments in tomorrow's labor force. They should not be left to the indignity of the market.
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Typically the countries that underperform are those that are not great at trade or exporting. For example France's economy is somewhat weaker...and its less effective at exporting its products and services. UK and Germany are very successful...and are global masters.

As a show of just how impactful isolationism is...since the Brexit was even announced, Britain's economy has taken a hit landing the country by some indications to its lowest point since 2009:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/eurozone-economy-continued-to-expand-in-july-1469177599

The other side of immigration: rich Chinese dumping money on American companies to move here. http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/21/news/economy/china-u-s-expat-visas/index.html?iid=Lead

Many will frown on it. But in moderation, this a very good thing. First, it helps to generate jobs. Money coming always does. It also frees up entrepreneurs who started the original companies and are now available to start new ones. And if you're concerned with Chinese buying up all our companies...don't be. Questions still remain whether said Chinese managed company can succeed as well as with the local founder.

And all this is more likely to occur with more of a free trade open stance.
 
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If anyone need know what's wrong with the Republican Party and supposed redefined "Limbaugh" conservative politics one only need to watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNiqpBNE9ik

Thank you.

Hey, Trump. Take your fear mongering and stick it up your ***.
 
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