Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was In)

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

homophobes so obsessed you really had to wonder...

Pat Robertson - gay as a tangerine.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was

A nice summary of where we stand looking down the barrel of Monday.

A Trump presidency will be the first domino to fall in what will become the biggest world-wide catastrophe since WWII.

Trump has been giving hints to his true feelings and beliefs throughout the campaign and many people DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT. They cannot believe that the rise to power of one person could lead to such calamity in 2016. They cannot believe the America they know and truly love could be made up of so many people filled with hatred.

People keep trying to pass off the narrative that his appeal and rise is mostly because people are simply sick of politics as usual, of Washington insiders and deal making. They keep saying the appeal of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump is 2 sides of the same coin. They are wrong. There has been a vocal part of the electorate that has derided the people from "inside the beltway" for years now. That term was in vogue to describe those Washington insiders that we were all supposedly tired of a generation ago. Jimmy Carter was elected president 40 years ago largely BECAUSE he had no strong ties to those Washington insiders. Trumps appeal is not because he is an "outsider." If we allow THAT to continue to be the overarching narrative of the appeal of his campaign we are all going to be in for a very rude awakening.

And before anyone makes with the tinfoil hat jokes, trust me, I have never been one to fear the outcome of a presidential election. I've voted for winners and losers, Democratic candidates and Republicans. I never thought if my guy didn't win, we were in for a horrible tomorrow. Maybe a better tomorrow if my guy won or one a little worse if he didn't. 2016 is different. And all it will take for him to wake up on November 9th as the President-Elect is a couple more Orlando or Nice-style incidents perpetrated here in the USA by someone with a Muslim sounding name.

God help us all if I am correct. Or better yet may God have mercy on us all.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was

If you want to see Goebbels at the top of his game, watch Frank Luntz on Bill Maher from this last Friday.

Amazingly, Bill did a great job countering him, but the strategy of using emotion to short circuit intellect has never been wielded so effectively.

In all honesty I believe Luntz is the most dangerous person in America.

 

[Kepler]

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Pence is a normal Republican.

Pence has also shown a deep misunderstanding of basic public health principles in the past. In 2001, he wrote an op-ed declaring that “smoking doesn’t kill.” The evidence? “Two out of three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness.”

Drunk driving is fine. Do you realize how many drunk drivers make it home?

 

[walrus]

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Pence is a normal Republican.



Drunk driving is fine. Do you realize how many drunk drivers make it home?

So is the Dem congressman who thinks Guam is going to tip over a typical Dem? Your trolling has been pretty weak lately

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Lolol

Trump already had to change his logo because it looked like he was fisting pence.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was

So is the Dem congressman who thinks Guam is going to tip over a typical Dem? Your trolling has been pretty weak lately

You realize some random Congressmen who you cant even name /= a dude who is up for flipping Vice President right? My lord your false equivalency is hilariously weak and downright ignorant.

Pence is up for the second highest job in the land and he thinks climate change is a lie, gay people can be converted and smoking doesnt kill people. That crap is relevant to the national debate. The high percentage of people in the House who probably cant tie their shoes is a completely different discussion.

2/10 Troll Fail. Go back to the drawing board.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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A conservative trying to get into a debate about which side has said the most truly stupid statements in HR house is a really bad idea.

 

[SonofSouthie]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was

Pence is a normal Republican.

Drunk driving is fine. Do you realize how many drunk drivers make it home?

All hepped up on goofballs doesn't seem to be much of a problem either. One year probation.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...orts-tell-cash-pills-erratic-driving/6937551/

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was

So is the Dem congressman who thinks Guam is going to tip over a typical Dem? Your trolling has been pretty weak lately

Get back to me when the DNC puts science denial in its platform.

BTW, I thought you said you were an independent?

 

[walrus]

You realize some random Congressmen who you cant even name /= a dude who is up for flipping Vice President right? My lord your false equivalency is hilariously weak and downright ignorant.

Pence is up for the second highest job in the land and he thinks climate change is a lie, gay people can be converted and smoking doesnt kill people. That crap is relevant to the national debate. The high percentage of people in the House who probably cant tie their shoes is a completely different discussion.

2/10 Troll Fail. Go back to the drawing board.

Too much coffee this morning? My comment was all about the "normal" in Keps post. I don't believe the majority of repubs believe what pence said. It seemed fairly obvious when I wrote it that I wasn't commenting on Pence's qualification to be VP. If I were you I'd be more worried about Trump or Hilary.

 

[Kepler]

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Too much coffee this morning? My comment was all about the "normal" in Keps post. I don't believe the majority of repubs believe what pence said.

"Normal" was a reach, I'll admit. My point is Pence seems to be clueless about how math and science work, and that seems to be somewhat typical of the GOP as demonstrated by the many myths and fictions they elevate over science and fact.

When people on the left do that they are excoriated as quacks and panderers. When people on the right do it, the mainstream right welcomes and celebrates them, part of their religious blindness and sponsor-bought cynicism.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Too much coffee this morning? My comment was all about the "normal" in Keps post. I don't believe the majority of repubs believe what pence said. It seemed fairly obvious when I wrote it that I wasn't commenting on Pence's qualification to be VP. If I were you I'd be more worried about Trump or Hilary.

Have you seen their platform for this election year? I don't think you have.

 

[walrus]

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Have you seen their platform for this election year? I don't think you have.

I'm not voting for them if they run god as a candidate, so I haven't seen their platform.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I'm not voting for them if they run god as a candidate, so I haven't seen their platform.

Well, if you haven't seen their platform and aren't voting for them I fail to see how you are qualified to say what the majority of republicans believe.

 

[joecct]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was

Some quotes from the Rt. Hon. Joseph Chamberlain (Lib - Birmingham) who died in 1914

[Social legislation] raised the cost of production; and what can be more illogical than to raise the cost of production in the country and then to allow the products of other countries which are not surrounded by any similar legislation, which are free from any similar cost and expenditure—freely to enter our country in competition with our own goods...If these foreign goods come in cheaper, one of two things must follow...either you will take lower wages or you will lose your work.
Speech on Free Trade (6 October, 1903)

You are suffering from the unrestricted imports of cheaper goods. You are suffering also from the unrestricted immigration of the people who make these goods. (Loud and prolonged cheers.)...The evils of immigration have increased during recent years. And behind those people who have already reached these shores, remember there are millions of the same kind who, under easily conceivable circumstances, might follow in their track, and might invade this country in a way and to an extent of which few people have at present any conception. The same causes that brought 10,000 and 20,000, and tens of thousands, may bring hundreds of thousands, or even millions. (Hear, hear.) If that would be an evil, surely he is a statesman who would deal with it in the beginning. (Hear, hear.)...When it began we were told it was so small that it would not matter to us. Now it has been growing with great rapidity, it has already affected a whole district, it is spreading into other parts of the country...Will you take it in time (hear, hear), or will you wait, hoping for something to turn up which will preserve you from what you all see to be the natural consequences of such an invasion?...it is a fact that when these aliens come here they are answerable for a larger amount of crime and disease and hopeless poverty than are proportionate to their numbers. (Cheers.) They come here—I do not blame them, I am speaking of the results—they come here and change the whole character of a district. (Cheers.) The speech, the nationality of whole streets has been altered; and British workmen have been driven by the fierce competition of famished men from trades which they previously followed. (Cheers.)...But the party of free importers is against any reform. How could they be otherwise?...they are perfectly consistent. If sweated goods are to be allowed in this country without restriction, why not the people who make them? Where is the difference? There is no difference either in the principle or in the results. It all comes to the same thing—less labour for the British working man. (Cheers.)
Speech in Limehouse in the East End of London (15 December 1904.)
‘Mr. Chamberlain In The East-End.’, The Times (16 December 1904), p. 8.

...our fellow subjects may rest assured that their liberties, their rights, and their interests are as dear to us as our own; and if ever they are seriously menaced the whole power of the country will be exerted for their defence (cheers), and the English democracy will stand shoulder to shoulder throughout the world to maintain the honour and integrity of the Empire. (Cheers.) Now, gentlemen, I turn to the last point upon which I promise to address you. What is to be the nature of the domestic legislation of the future? (Hear, hear.) I cannot help thinking that it will be more directed to what are called social subjects than has hitherto been the case.—How to promote the greater happiness of the masses of the people (hear, hear), how to increase their enjoyment of life (cheers), that is the problem of the future; and just as there are politicians who would occupy all the world and leave nothing for the ambition of anybody else, so we have their counterpart at home in the men who, having already annexed everything that is worth having, expect everybody else to be content with the crumbs that fall from their table. If you will go back to the origin of things you will find that when our social arrangements first began to shape themselves every man was born into the world with natural rights, with a right to a share in the great inheritence of the community, with a right to a part of the land of his birth. (Cheers.) But all these rights have passed away. The common rights of ownership have disappeared. Some of them have been sold; some of them have been given away by people who had no right to dispose of them; some of them have been lost through apathy and ignorance; some have been stolen by fraud (cheers); and some have been acquired by violence. Private ownership has taken the place of these communal rights, and this system has become so interwoven with our habits and usages, it has been so sanctioned by law and protected by custom, that it might be very difficult and perhaps impossible to reverse it. But then, I ask, what ransom will property pay for the security which it enjoys? What substitute will it find for the natural rights which have ceased to be recognized?
Speech to the Birmingham Artisans' Association at Birmingham Town Hall (5 January 1885).
‘Mr. Chamberlain At Birmingham.’, The Times (6 January 1885), p. 7.
This is also known as the "Ransom Speech"

The great problem of our civilization is still unsolved. We have to account for and grapple with the mass of misery and destitution in our midst, co-existent as it is with the evidence of abundant wealth and teeming prosperity. It is a problem which some men would put aside by reference to the eternal laws of supply and demand, to the necessity of freedom of contract, and to the sanctity of every private right of property...Our object is the elevation of the poor, of the masses of the people—a levelling up of them by which we shall do something to remove the excessive inequality in social life.
Speech on 8 September, 1885.

The problems have not changed in over a century. Whatever governments are doing, they are emulating Sisyphus.

I would also cite Rerum Novarum (or the Rights and Duties of Capital and Labor) by Pope Leo XIII, but that is looonnnnggg.

 

[walrus]

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Well, if you haven't seen their platform and aren't voting for them I fail to see how you are qualified to say what the majority of republicans believe.

Republicans are everywhere Scooby, just because there platform says something doesn't mean the majority of rank and file believe it. But no matter what I doubt a majority of delegates to the convention think what Pence does about smoking. He doesn't even believe but some donor told him to say it

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Republicans are everywhere Scooby, just because there platform says something doesn't mean the majority of rank and file believe it. But no matter what I doubt a majority of delegates to the convention think what Pence does about smoking. He doesn't even believe but some donor told him to say it

The platform, Trump's candidacy, and Pence's selection didn't happen by accident. Paul Ryan LOVES Pence. I'd love to know where this magic pocket of logical Republicans is cause they do not wield enough power to bring any sanity to the party.

 

[walrus]

The platform, Trump's candidacy, and Pence's selection didn't happen by accident. Paul Ryan LOVES Pence. I'd love to know where this magic pocket of logical Republicans is cause they do not wield enough power to bring any sanity to the party.

They are a lost cause at this point

 

[Kepler]

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I'd love to know where this magic pocket of logical Republicans is

Here.