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Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was In)
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
The one way Trump can get himself elected is to strike a loud enough chord with voters who fear Islamic terrorism becoming a common occurrence in the United States. It will be struck of course with lies, bold but hollow statements of toughness and appeals to fear instead of reason. But this is America. There are quite literally tens of millions of voting age people out there who will fall for the most ridiculous examples of such crap. Hillary better be ready to dish out a dose of similar stuff of her own, or potential swing states like PA, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado or Nevada are going to fall for Trump's particular brand of speech.
The one way Trump can get himself elected is to strike a loud enough chord with voters who fear Islamic terrorism becoming a common occurrence in the United States. It will be struck of course with lies, bold but hollow statements of toughness and appeals to fear instead of reason. But this is America. There are quite literally tens of millions of voting age people out there who will fall for the most ridiculous examples of such crap. Hillary better be ready to dish out a dose of similar stuff of her own, or potential swing states like PA, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado or Nevada are going to fall for Trump's particular brand of speech.
Unless there is a terrorist attack here between now and election day. Then she's toast.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
Not so sure. To those with a brain, Trump's responses to these events has been childish. He already has the knucks, so if he keeps drooling on his shoes when these events happen, some undecideds might see that he has no clothes.
Not so sure. To those with a brain, Trump's responses to these events has been childish. He already has the knucks, so if he keeps drooling on his shoes when these events happen, some undecideds might see that he has no clothes.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
How many reaches can you put into one post? With just two exceptions, wiki calls every president a Christian or deist (i.e., believes in God). The two exceptions to the list Lincoln who said 'I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures' and Andrew Johnson. I guess you can claim Johnson, a bottom 5 president, as your sole critical, clear thinking intelligentsia president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_affiliations_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
How many reaches can you put into one post? With just two exceptions, wiki calls every president a Christian or deist (i.e., believes in God). The two exceptions to the list Lincoln who said 'I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures' and Andrew Johnson. I guess you can claim Johnson, a bottom 5 president, as your sole critical, clear thinking intelligentsia president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_affiliations_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
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bronconick
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
Pence needs to withdraw from Gov race today to be VP
Pence needs to withdraw from Gov race today to be VP
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
Jefferson was a hardcore intellectual agnostic. He understood you had to give lip service to the myth of the day -- if he'd been running for office in India he'd have "been" Hindu.
Of recent presidents, Carter was certainly the most sincerely and deeply religious. Nixon had a very, very f-cked up religiosity -- essentially he worshiped his mother and loathed himself for all his many, many sins. Ford had I'm sure the same staid, safe Midwestern religiosity that used car salesmen have -- probably never once thought about any theological question; just took it as the pool rules. Dubya had the "God is my spare tire" religion of cowardice and personal irresponsibility that is so popular among fundies who used to be buck wild. Otherwise: Obama, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Johnson, Kennedy -- all atheists who did the god bit for their constituents. Ike who knows? He was such a consummate politician he was probably cutting deals with the archangels in exchange for more ammunition.
Jefferson was a hardcore intellectual agnostic. He understood you had to give lip service to the myth of the day -- if he'd been running for office in India he'd have "been" Hindu.
Of recent presidents, Carter was certainly the most sincerely and deeply religious. Nixon had a very, very f-cked up religiosity -- essentially he worshiped his mother and loathed himself for all his many, many sins. Ford had I'm sure the same staid, safe Midwestern religiosity that used car salesmen have -- probably never once thought about any theological question; just took it as the pool rules. Dubya had the "God is my spare tire" religion of cowardice and personal irresponsibility that is so popular among fundies who used to be buck wild. Otherwise: Obama, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Johnson, Kennedy -- all atheists who did the god bit for their constituents. Ike who knows? He was such a consummate politician he was probably cutting deals with the archangels in exchange for more ammunition.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
The Bible where he cut all the supernatural stuff out because he thought it was hooey.
I own twelve bibles. You can't understand western culture from 500 to 1500 without knowing them.
Jefferson is the first true American humanist intellectual. Franklin has the native atheism of the street-wise businessman, but Jefferson is pursuing ontology and ethics that exclude superstition. He's trying to bring the sort of rational awakening to American that inspired the golden age of Classical Greece.
The other side can claim Washington I suppose -- he was religious the way people of propriety are in an aristocratic age. We get Tommy J.
For an agnostic he sure had a lot of bibles in his library...including the Jefferson Bible named after him
The Bible where he cut all the supernatural stuff out because he thought it was hooey.
I own twelve bibles. You can't understand western culture from 500 to 1500 without knowing them.
Jefferson is the first true American humanist intellectual. Franklin has the native atheism of the street-wise businessman, but Jefferson is pursuing ontology and ethics that exclude superstition. He's trying to bring the sort of rational awakening to American that inspired the golden age of Classical Greece.
The other side can claim Washington I suppose -- he was religious the way people of propriety are in an aristocratic age. We get Tommy J.
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
Absolutely not. You aren't going to out nut Trump. No way do you play his game. You become the anti-Trump, and remind people what happens when you get involved in Middle East wars with no regard for facts (See: Bush, George W). Either people want us to launch a world war over organized terrorist attacks in France, or they want adult leadership in a time of crisis.
Regarding the swing states, if Trump is going to make his move, he needs to start doing it soon according to these latest polls: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...diverse-battleground-states-new-polls-n609551
Absolutely not. You aren't going to out nut Trump. No way do you play his game. You become the anti-Trump, and remind people what happens when you get involved in Middle East wars with no regard for facts (See: Bush, George W). Either people want us to launch a world war over organized terrorist attacks in France, or they want adult leadership in a time of crisis.
Regarding the swing states, if Trump is going to make his move, he needs to start doing it soon according to these latest polls: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...diverse-battleground-states-new-polls-n609551
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
A Modest Proposal. (Not mine, obviously.) I was listening to Steele and Unger on my godd-mn endless commute last night and a caller suggested Clinton refuse to debate Trump unless Trump apologized for all the racist, sexist garbage he has said. Obviously Trump would never do that. The caller's opinion was Trump doesn't deserve to have a forum to normalize his hate speech -- treat him like a white supremacist or holocaust denier and shut off his oxygen.
I thought this was a ludicrous idea but much to my surprise both hosts and the news guy they had on all agreed that would be a net positive for both the country and for her.
I still am not convinced. What do people here think? Would refusing on principle to debate him (1) be politically good for her, and (2) help marginalize him and by extension be a good precedent for our politics?
A Modest Proposal. (Not mine, obviously.) I was listening to Steele and Unger on my godd-mn endless commute last night and a caller suggested Clinton refuse to debate Trump unless Trump apologized for all the racist, sexist garbage he has said. Obviously Trump would never do that. The caller's opinion was Trump doesn't deserve to have a forum to normalize his hate speech -- treat him like a white supremacist or holocaust denier and shut off his oxygen.
I thought this was a ludicrous idea but much to my surprise both hosts and the news guy they had on all agreed that would be a net positive for both the country and for her.
I still am not convinced. What do people here think? Would refusing on principle to debate him (1) be politically good for her, and (2) help marginalize him and by extension be a good precedent for our politics?
I think it will play badly with the swing voters.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
Bad idea. Loudmouth blowhard idiots need to be exposed to the widest audience possible. Trump would immediately go around saying she was afraid to debate him. Its far more effective to bring up the racist things he's said to his face and let him stammer through an explanation.
Bad idea. Loudmouth blowhard idiots need to be exposed to the widest audience possible. Trump would immediately go around saying she was afraid to debate him. Its far more effective to bring up the racist things he's said to his face and let him stammer through an explanation.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
Trump is a master of spin. If you get too cute with him, you'll pay for it. See the Cruz/Kasich alliance.
Trump is a master of spin. If you get too cute with him, you'll pay for it. See the Cruz/Kasich alliance.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
My reaction too. Idiots are great because they self-identify.
Then again, Dubya...
My reaction too. Idiots are great because they self-identify.
Then again, Dubya...
French Rage
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
That's from this morning, right? So have they pushed back the news conference for two (three?) days now? Or was it just the announcement they postponed from Wednesday/yesterday to today?
That's from this morning, right? So have they pushed back the news conference for two (three?) days now? Or was it just the announcement they postponed from Wednesday/yesterday to today?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was
Pence is up against a ballot deadline today. Trump tweeted the pick in lieu of the announcement. So it is official, or anyway as official as anything the orange magic eight ball emits at any given moment.
Pence is up against a ballot deadline today. Trump tweeted the pick in lieu of the announcement. So it is official, or anyway as official as anything the orange magic eight ball emits at any given moment.
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