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Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was In)

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So what makes Hillary a bad candidate? I'm still waiting on this. What makes her any worse than any of the candidates we've had in the past 20 years?

I asked in post 439 what about HRC's policy positions or history was so objectionable, and it got no response. That I know of. Of course, most of what I post gets ignored. Feeling a little Bob Gray about the whole experience. :)
 
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Still not voting for Hillary but keep on trying. You sound like Rover where you think just cause you keep repeating it it must be true.

Now is that any way to treat a guy who just gave you a glowing compliment a few posts down? :D
 
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If we're going to keep going with car analogies, let's get it right. HRC is the rusted out Geo Storm. Trump is the unrecognizable picture of a car your five year old drew this morning. It's pretty hilarious to see the conservatives around here continuing to try to apply the reduction of "both cars suck" to a discussion of what car we should take to work today. I get it, I don't want to be seen in the Geo Storm either, but we can't drive the picture to work...you guys get that right?
 
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You arent going to get an answer. You will get lots of the lies they told in the 90s plus some emails and perhaps more lies about Benghazi. They cant really rip the Wall Street sellout stuff because their whole party gets bent over a barrel by wall street without lube. (and beg for more) They cant rip her foreign policy experience because they flipping put forth Dubya who may have been the worst foreign policy president of all time. The Left can call her out for that stuff cause she "represents" us but their track record would make it hypocritical at best.

I have all sorts of reasons I dont like Hillary and wont vote for her, they have none except that she is Hillary.

You know how sad the GOP is now a days...it makes me defend Hillary. Ugh...
You apparently have all kinds of reasons but don't bother to write any of them down.

I won't vote for HRC for a couple of reasons. First and foremost is the fact that unfair as it is, you simply can't disconnect her from Bill Clinton and the Clinton machine. They will raise their hand, swear to tell the truth, and lie to your face. They will do what they want if it suits their purposes. I'm not interested in more of that. Call it Clinton fatigue if you will, but that's the way it is. I've felt that way about both Republican and Democratic administrations. By the time the eight years are over my attitude us usually something along the lines of I don't want to ever hear about those people again.

Second, I have no idea what I'm getting with HRC. Some of the Republican candidates of the past elections have come in and said "I want to cut taxes, roll back government regulation, and limit marriage to a man and a woman." Ok. I don't necessarily agree with all those positions, but at least I know what it is you want to do, and at some point they try to push those things through.

Kind of the same with Bernie Sanders. I don't agree with many of his positions, but personally I believe that had he been elected he would try to do exactly what he said he was going to do.

Clinton, not so sure. In many ways she is a little like Trump in that she will tell the audience what they want to hear. She just isn't as crass about it as he is.

She'll sit here and preach a progressive agenda, then go to wall street and tell them she's got their back.

I just really have no ability to predict exactly what it is she'll try to do when she gets in, and that makes me uneasy.
 
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If we're going to keep going with car analogies, let's get it right. HRC is the rusted out Geo Storm. Trump is the unrecognizable picture of a car your five year old drew this morning. It's pretty hilarious to see the conservatives around here continuing to try to apply the reduction of "both cars suck" to a discussion of what car we should take to work today. I get it, I don't want to be seen in the Geo Storm either, but we can't drive the picture to work...you guys get that right?

The Trump OMG is a real car. The brakes and seat belts are drawn in. We can drive the Trump OMG but it will crash and kill us all.
 
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If we're going to keep going with car analogies, let's get it right. HRC is the rusted out Geo Storm. Trump is the unrecognizable picture of a car your five year old drew this morning. It's pretty hilarious to see the conservatives around here continuing to try to apply the reduction of "both cars suck" to a discussion of what car we should take to work today. I get it, I don't want to be seen in the Geo Storm either, but we can't drive the picture to work...you guys get that right?
I'll walk for four years.
 
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If we're using cars, Hillary is a normal car whose tires you have to change every few years. Yes, it'd be good to eventually have some sort of car whose tires never need replacing, but similar cars have gotten stuff done in the past, so it's nothing out of the ordinary to expect the usual maintenance inconveniences.

Trump is a car that explodes the first time you start it.


Also, people, Melania only ripped off like 7 percent of the speech: http://gawker.com/chris-christie-helpfully-points-out-melania-only-plagia-1783907297 The stuff about Slovenia was all original, so there's that! Good Boy, Chris, now go pick up the drycleaning.
 
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Technically I think Christie's job is the McDonalds run for take out lunch everyday, a job he's obviously well suited for...
 
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So what makes Hillary a bad candidate? I'm still waiting on this. What makes her any worse than any of the candidates we've had in the past 20 years?
She's a liar. That's all they've got.
 
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You apparently have all kinds of reasons but don't bother to write any of them down.

I won't vote for HRC for a couple of reasons. First and foremost is the fact that unfair as it is, you simply can't disconnect her from Bill Clinton and the Clinton machine. They will raise their hand, swear to tell the truth, and lie to your face. They will do what they want if it suits their purposes. I'm not interested in more of that. Call it Clinton fatigue if you will, but that's the way it is. I've felt that way about both Republican and Democratic administrations. By the time the eight years are over my attitude us usually something along the lines of I don't want to ever hear about those people again.

Second, I have no idea what I'm getting with HRC. Some of the Republican candidates of the past elections have come in and said "I want to cut taxes, roll back government regulation, and limit marriage to a man and a woman." Ok. I don't necessarily agree with all those positions, but at least I know what it is you want to do, and at some point they try to push those things through.

Kind of the same with Bernie Sanders. I don't agree with many of his positions, but personally I believe that had he been elected he would try to do exactly what he said he was going to do.

Clinton, not so sure. In many ways she is a little like Trump in that she will tell the audience what they want to hear. She just isn't as crass about it as he is.

She'll sit here and preach a progressive agenda, then go to wall street and tell them she's got their back.

I just really have no ability to predict exactly what it is she'll try to do when she gets in, and that makes me uneasy.

That's EXACTLY what the whole 25-year distrust campaign has been about.
 
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Switching gears, where are all these "rising stars" the GOP is supposed to have within their ranks? Is Chachi one of them and somehow I missed that? Wasn't Bobby Jindal a rising star at one point? Where is he in all of this? Scott Brown? When "rising star" Jodi Ernst spoke, the only people left in the arena where the security staff and the cleaning crew.
 
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All this is giving Mookie a chubby waiting for the debates!!!
 
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That's EXACTLY what the whole 25-year distrust campaign has been about.

Hovey seems like a pretty simple guy basically regurgitating right wing talking points even though he's an "independent". Sorta in the Sicatoka/Flaggy mode. :eek:
 
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Switching gears, where are all these "rising stars" the GOP is supposed to have within their ranks? Is Chachi one of them and somehow I missed that? Wasn't Bobby Jindal a rising star at one point? Where is he in all of this? Scott Brown? When "rising star" Jodi Ernst spoke, the only people left in the arena where the security staff and the cleaning crew.

They have who they have. If you're running this year you're avoiding Trump like the plague in blueish/purplish environments.
 
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I just really have no ability to predict exactly what it is she'll try to do when she gets in, and that makes me uneasy.

I can see how someone would feel that way. I would counter it thusly: treating the Clintons as a package deal (as you do) they have been consistent on policy for their public career, which is the largest body of work any presidential candidate has had with the possible exception of FDR running for his 4th term.

The Clintons are Third Way Democrats. There are no dramatic or revolutionary changes. They lean slightly left on fiscal and social policy, and leave monetary policy to the MIT econ PhDs. They run to the center whenever there is any trouble, risking the alienation of the extremes of both parties but taking refuge in the bell curve rump of the middle.

Much as with Obama, the histrionic opposition to them from the right has been politically motivated, not policy centered. It has been because of an anger that the Clintons have been able to reach and control the American political center. In 1988 the Republicans were convinced they owned the middle, and they were infuriated when America did not not follow along as they veered farther and farther right. The result was the over-the-top fury which they and their surrogates have continuous recited against the Clintons.

The Clintons are essentially Eisenhower Republicans, but since they operate in 2016 rather than 1956 they violate the highly questionable worldview that actual Republicans have come to hold.
 
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Hovey seems like a pretty simple guy basically regurgitating right wing talking points even though he's an "independent". Sorta in the Sicatoka/Flaggy mode. :eek:
I am a pretty simple guy. As for regurgitating talking points, I wouldn't have a clue. I haven't spent 60 minutes in the last 20 years watching political shows on tv, unless you count John Oliver's show, which I find funny. I don't listen to talk radio (sports, politics or otherwise). I'd rather listen to music.

As for the variety of blogs and other nonsense out there, the only time I read any of them is when one of you link to them. Whether any of those writings have seeped into my simple mind, I can't say.

And I'm the first to admit that it's probably unfair to HRC that I reject her as a candidate at least in part due to her husband and his associates. But I'm just not interested being a party to putting them back into the White House.
 
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If we're going to keep going with car analogies, let's get it right. HRC is the rusted out Geo Storm. Trump is the unrecognizable picture of a car your five year old drew this morning. It's pretty hilarious to see the conservatives around here continuing to try to apply the reduction of "both cars suck" to a discussion of what car we should take to work today. I get it, I don't want to be seen in the Geo Storm either, but we can't drive the picture to work...you guys get that right?

Isn't that a Yugo?
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was

Technically I think Christie's job is the McDonalds run for take out lunch everyday, a job he's obviously well suited for...

Like hell he is. You'll get back a mostly empty bag with like one or two hamburgers remaining.
 
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