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Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

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Rover said:
Yeah knucks', I just don't believe you guys. Not for one minute. Maybe you'll tell yourselves that right up to election day, when you "accidentally" mark the ballot for Trump. Kinda how nobody voted for GWB. :rolleyes:

You guys are ideologically aligned with Trump. Might as well vote for the man. Own it!!! :D
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I voted for Dubya twice. Of course it was in Nebraska and didn't matter at the time, but I did it.

I was set to vote for McCain in 2008 up until he picked Palin as his VP. I hadn't realized how anti-intellectual (to put it kindly, the alternative version is they've gone bat **** crazy) the party had become until that point. And they've given me absolutely no reason to go back since then
 
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Kepler said:
I don't think any of these people have said they are are voting for Trump. In fact, I don't think any of the Cafe regulars have said they are actually voting for Trump. :eek:

My guess is the Libertarians are going to get a long, hard look. They have basically become the party of Paleocons.
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Please...half of them dont admit to voting for Dubya or listening to Rush but would you really bet against it?
 
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Rover said:
I agree. His agenda and the GOP's dovetail quite nicely. I'm going to let Senator Warren's words make the point far better than I can (sorry Kep)...

"Where do you suppose that Donald Trump got the idea that he can personally attack judges regardless of the law whenever they don't bend to the whims of billionaires and big businesses? He's a Mitch McConnell kind of candidate ... He is exactly the kind of candidate you'd expect from a Republican Party whose script for several years has been to execute a full scale assault on the integrity of our courts, blockading judicial appointments so Donald Trump can fill them. Smearing and intimidating nominees who do not pledge allegiance to the financial interests of the rich and powerful. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell want Donald Trump to appoint the next generation of judges. They want those judges to tilt the law in favor of big businesses and billionaires like Donald Trump. They just want Donald Trump to quit being so vulgar and obvious about it."

1000% correct. How is Trump different than Romney-McCain-BushII-Dole-BushI-Reagan? He's more upfront about it. And conservative voters enable this behavior.
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Yeah...sorry Kep but Warren nails it. As much as you hope the GOP isnt really Trump and that there are sane people on the Hill hoping he loses the fact is he is just pushing the agenda they have been using for decades. He is the personification of everything they have been fighting for since Big Willy was in office.
 
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unofan said:
I voted for Dubya twice. Of course it was in Nebraska and didn't matter at the time, but I did it.

I was set to vote for McCain in 2008 up until he picked Palin as his VP. I hadn't realized how anti-intellectual the party had become until that point. And they've given me absolutely no reason to go back since then
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Good man!

Look, a lot of people including some I went to college with were solid righties until they looked around and didn't recognize the party anymore. I get that. However, its time for people who feel that way to throw in the towel and start trying to find some conservadems to back who are now what the GOP was 30 years ago (Manchin, McCaskill, Tester, Heitcamp, etc). If Trump isn't the final nail in the coffin, then people who choose to remain Republicans have cast their lot with him.

Regarding the libertarians, a ticket of two moderate governors, one highly successful (Weld, not sure how Johnson did during his tenure) has some promise but they ought to use those connections to field candidates in say governor or Senate races in places where the dominant party has a loon in office but the minority party is too weak to generate a challenge (Kansas comes to mind for example).
 
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My buddy is like that...old school GOP guy who hasnt voted GOP in an election in years. The anti-intellectual BS they trot out and their "We hate government intrusion unless it is us telling you what you should do with your body" had him walk away and I doubt he ever goes back.
 
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No matter how anyone slices it the standard bearer for the GOP is now Donald Trump. You can do what many Democrats did in 2000 and vote for someone else instead of Trump but all that's going to do is get Hillary elected and no one will care (unless Trump comes close and that person steals the election, then the person you voted for (Nader) will be vilified the rest of your life).

It's a 2-party system. If you want to get something done you do what Bernie did or what the Christian Right did years ago. You co-opt the party that's most like your own. You don't pull a ****ing Nader. Pulling a Nader is disaster to your cause and does nothing but bring ruin to your party.

If you're angry your fellow Americans picked Trump you only have yourself to blame. You didn't rise up and get the votes necessary to stop him. You like the 16 other clowns that were on the debate stage with him cowered and fear and never believed this would happen. Elizabeth Warren in one speech did more to decimate Trump then the entire band of 16 candidates did during the primary campaign.

Me? I'm not really getting what I want either. But, that's not the point. The point is I'm not getting another ****ing GW Bush who is going to make my life worse than it was before. The direct impact that man had on destroying the middle class and everything in it's wake is still not fully documented or known.

Can't wait till Hillary says no to Garland and finds the next Thurgood Marshall. Someone needs to tell Thomas to get bent.

EDIT: Meanwhile in the comedy dept.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/11/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-donald-trump.html?_r=0

The Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, would not rule out the possibility of rescinding his endorsement of Donald J. Trump’s presidential bid down the road, and he described the candidate as lacking knowledge in a number of areas in an interview released on Friday.
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The right also let this clown become their Senate Majority Leader.
 
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busterman62 said:
FYI, it is possible to realize that neither of the clowns who are currently the major party candidates are peiss poor choices for POTUS.
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This is the way of conservatives always. Every election. They never really support the GOP candidate verbally. 'Oh both candidates are bad'. I've never figured out why.

Anyways if you think I'm wrong...who is/was a great candidate (or president)? Trump? Romney? McCain? W? Dole? GH Bush? I know...I know...both candidates are always terrible...so you lash out against the dem and vote (or pretty much support) GOP every time anyways.

Its the conservative way.
 
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Well said, Scooby!

I'm not a big Hillary fan, but I don't want to see the SCOTUS loaded with Mitch McConnell's henchmen.
 
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Rover said:
... conservadems ... (... Heitcamp, ).
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Who are you kidding? Heidi* would be a "Democrat" in maybe five other US states. Otherwise, she's too far right. She supports gun rights and ND coal for God's sake!


*That is no disrespect. She goes by "Heidi" in her campaigns and local appearances. Remember: she is one of my Senators and I've been in the same room with her in the last six weeks.
 
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Kepler said:
I don't think any of these people have said they are are voting for Trump. In fact, I don't think any of the Cafe regulars have said they are actually voting for Trump. :eek:

My guess is the Libertarians are going to get a long, hard look. They have basically become the party of Paleocons.
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Except that Gary Johnson is no paleocon.
 
5mn_Major said:
This is the way of conservatives always. Every election. They never really support the GOP candidate verbally. 'Oh both candidates are bad'. I've never figured out why.

Anyways if you think I'm wrong...who is/was a great candidate (or president)? Trump? Romney? McCain? W? Dole? GH Bush? I know...I know...both candidates are always terrible...so you lash out against the dem and vote (or pretty much support) GOP every time anyways.

Its the conservative way.
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HW was a pretty good president who gets a bad rap.
Dole and the 2000 version of McCain were good candidates, too.

The problem for me these days is two fold: 1) I don't see many respected statesmen left in the Dole mold (Ryan is about as close to one as there is on the right anymore), and 2) no GOP presidential candidate has credibly assured that they would veto their own party's overreaches. So long as a Christie or Jeb would be signing legislation put forth by Steve King and Ted Cruz, he would be as bad as they are.
 
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unofan said:
HW was a pretty good president who gets a bad rap.
Dole and the 2000 version of McCain were good candidates, too.

The problem for me these days is two fold: 1) I don't see many respected statesmen left in the Dole mold (Ryan is about as close to one as there is on the right anymore), and 2) no GOP presidential candidate has credibly assured that they would veto their own party's overreaches. So long as a Christie or Jeb would be signing legislation put forth by Steve King and Ted Cruz, he would be as bad as they are.
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Ryan a Statesman? No. He's a corporate shill.
 
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unofan said:
HW was a pretty good president who gets a bad rap.
Dole and the 2000 version of McCain were good candidates, too.

The problem for me these days is two fold: 1) I don't see many respected statesmen left in the Dole mold (Ryan is about as close to one as there is on the right anymore), and 2) no GOP presidential candidate has credibly assured that they would veto their own party's overreaches. So long as a Christie or Jeb would be signing legislation put forth by Steve King and Ted Cruz, he would be as bad as they are.
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While I don't disagree with HW being a decent president (and Dole and McCain being moderates). That doesn't change the issue...conservatives never verbally support them or any other GOP candidate. They just go negative on Dems. Not sure if they're self conscious or what.
 
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Old Pio could be a horses arse, but I wish he were with us this year
 
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The Sicatoka said:
And Ms. Warren doesn't want her side to appoint the next generation of judges? (And heavens, she wouldn't want those to tilt the law, say, in her favored viewpoint, would she?)
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Yeah, that's why Obama nominated that reknowned radical leftist flame-thrower Merrick Garland.
 
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