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Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

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Anything that leaves Jan Brewer yelling "I got cheated! I got cheated!" is OK with me. She should have poked someone's chest to get what she wanted, I thought that was her secret weapon.
 
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Calgary Ted is turning into the guy trying to put out a raging inferno with a garden house. Who cares if you do all these back room deals to get your people seated as delegates when you're about to lose the remaining 10 or so states left on the calendar? Delegates can worship the ground Cruz walks on, but they're bound to support Trump on the first ballot where it seems increasingly likely he'll have the majority to win the nomination going into the convention.
 
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Rover said:
Calgary Ted is turning into the guy trying to put out a raging inferno with a garden house. Who cares if you do all these back room deals to get your people seated as delegates when you're about to lose the remaining 10 or so states left on the calendar? Delegates can worship the ground Cruz walks on, but they're bound to support Trump on the first ballot where it seems increasingly likely he'll have the majority to win the nomination going into the convention.
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He has two things going for him by doing this. Firstly, he can stack the deck to win if it goes to a second ballot. Secondly, he can fill the room with his people and try to push through procedural and rule changes that increase the likelihood of going to the second ballot.

Not to mention that he's building an experienced cadre of involved supporters for a future run.

I hate the meat suit-wearing lizard, but he's doing the right thing.
 
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Kepler said:
He has two things going for him by doing this. Firstly, he can stack the deck to win if it goes to a second ballot. Secondly, he can fill the room with his people and try to push through procedural and rule changes that increase the likelihood of going to the second ballot.

Not to mention that he's building an experienced cadre of involved supporters for a future run.

I hate the meat suit-wearing lizard, but he's doing the right thing.
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Good point on the future run idea. Hadn't thought of that.

Anybody (not just Cruz) pulling shenanigans to deny Trump the nomination if he gets to 1237 before the convention is inviting disaster. I can see the logic of what Calgary Ted is up to, but if he doesn't win Indiana he's fuked no matter how many loyalist win delegate seats.

PS: Could you please have a chat with Bernie about the "we're going to have a contested convention" schtick that he's been on lately? If Hillary wins the majority of pledged delegates, why does he think he should be the nominee?
 
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Rover said:
Good point on the future run idea. Hadn't thought of that.

Anybody (not just Cruz) pulling shenanigans to deny Trump the nomination if he gets to 1237 before the convention is inviting disaster. I can see the logic of what Calgary Ted is up to, but if he doesn't win Indiana he's fuked no matter how many loyalist win delegate seats.

PS: Could you please have a chat with Bernie about the "we're going to have a contested convention" schtick that he's been on lately? If Hillary wins the majority of pledged delegates, why does he think he should be the nominee?
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Gotta keep the kids involved, I assume. I wouldn't worry about it, though maybe they shouldn't send Bill to WV anymore.

Per the Cleveland Screw Job, Donald will not go gentle into that dark night.
 
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Gotta keep the kids involved, I assume. I wouldn't worry about it, though maybe they shouldn't send Bill to WV anymore.

Per the Cleveland Screw Job, Donald will not go gentle into that dark night.
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Bill should have told them to F off. :D

Hoping for a big Trump win tomorrow night. Then we get to see the agony on the faces of Goopers as he becomes inevitable, but they still come up with ever more outlandish plans to deny him the nomination!
 
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Hoping for a big Trump win tomorrow night. Then we get to see the agony on the faces of Goopers as he becomes inevitable, but they still come up with ever more outlandish plans to deny him the nomination!
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I can't decide. On the one hand I should hope for locking in Drumpf and not be greedy. But on the other hand, if he cruises into Cleveland with about 1100 delegates, it might make Chicago 68 look like a tea party.

The GOP deserves the death penalty for its 30-year run of cynicism and crime, and maybe we could at long last exorcise the theocon and neocon fascists from our politics and spawn a 19th Century-style "neoliberal" conservative party to compete with a genuinely progressive Democratic party. That's a project worth a little mid-July mayhem.
 
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Chuckles:

@AnnCoulter: Trump now has 3 surefire ways to finish off Cruz: 1) Indiana; 2) California; 3) Garlic and Crucifixes.
 
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I dont buy this "future run" for Cruz meme. This is his one shot at winning the nomination and the only reason he has a sliver of a chance this time is cause most of the party seems to hate Drumpf. When Ted is running against real GOPers he will be slaughtered cause he is by far the most hated person in the party.
 
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I dont buy this "future run" for Cruz meme. This is his one shot at winning the nomination and the only reason he has a sliver of a chance this time is cause most of the party seems to hate Drumpf. When Ted is running against real GOPers he will be slaughtered cause he is by far the most hated person in the party.
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He is also backing fading demographics

Nobody wants a flat tax. People want others to pay tax

Nobody like white men.

Public doesn't care about abortion

All these Syrian refugees ain't increasing the Judeo/Christian values (which just means white folk) population

This is his last chance
 
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Handyman said:
I dont buy this "future run" for Cruz meme. This is his one shot at winning the nomination and the only reason he has a sliver of a chance this time is cause most of the party seems to hate Drumpf. When Ted is running against real GOPers he will be slaughtered cause he is by far the most hated person in the party.
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Yeah it's funny that in any other race in history he would be the one the rest of the party is uniting to stop, except in this one case where the other guy is worse. It's comical.
 
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I'm really curious who represents the "future" of the GOP however. Here's a hint. Its ain't Marco freakin' Rubio. :eek:

Trump has changed the equation in several ways. The idea for example that working class whites should take a reduction in benefits to pay for Mitt Romney's tax breaks is most likely dead and buried. But, a hard line in immigration is the new norm. Trade deals are also most likely DOA on both sides, unless its with a country like Canada or England. These positions pit the Trump wing of the party directly against the corporate paymasters that fund it. Should be real interesting to see how that shakes out.
 
Rover said:
I'm really curious who represents the "future" of the GOP however. Here's a hint. Its ain't Marco freakin' Rubio. :eek:

Trump has changed the equation in several ways. The idea for example that working class whites should take a reduction in benefits to pay for Mitt Romney's tax breaks is most likely dead and buried. But, a hard line in immigration is the new norm. Trade deals are also most likely DOA on both sides, unless its with a country like Canada or England. These positions pit the Trump wing of the party directly against the corporate paymasters that fund it. Should be real interesting to see how that shakes out.
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Imagine if Bernie had the same lead that tD has. I would imagine a large portion of your party would be suffering from apoplexy too.
 
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Well just looking at fb this morning for me has peeps that support Bernie & peeps that support tD sharing some Intel story about them firing 12k and requesting 14k foreign work visas.
That appears to be a subject that crosses lines which anyone who goes looking to fill their PAC coffers is going to blush
 
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