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Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

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unofan said:
"Only" in this case being like saying the Cubs have only gone a century without a title.
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but, there are ~600 super delegates, so if they all fall for bern that will put him over the top!!

no?
 
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mookie1995 said:
but, there are ~600 super delegates, so if they all fall for bern that will put him over the top!!

no?
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Yes, but no. Bernie stands for genuine democracy. Super delegates are cringe-worthily anti-democratic. He can't win that way and remain him.
 
Kepler said:
Yes, but no. Bernie stands for genuine democracy. Super delegates are cringe-worthily anti-democratic. He can't win that way and remain him.
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More to the point, there's no way the super delegates swarm to him if he doesn't win the pledged delegate race.
 
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unofan said:
More to the point, there's no way the super delegates swarm to him if he doesn't win the pledged delegate race.
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They could if late in the game something really awful happened with Hillary to make her unelectable but she refused to stand down.
 
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unofan said:
More to the point, there's no way the super delegates swarm to him if he doesn't win the pledged delegate race.
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but?!?! rover tells us every day that the super delegates are in hilly's back pocket. and have been from day 1 well before the pledged race was decided.

heck, kep has visible whip marks :)
 
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What exactly is supposed to come of this Trump-Ryan meeting anyway? Are they going to slather each other in oil and start wrestling? Go to one of Trump's bankrupt casinos? Compare wives?
 
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A two hour meeting??? This is the first time I've almost felt sorry for Paul Ryan:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279675-trump-ryan-signal-unity

From my sources:

TRUMP (for first 1 hour and 59 minutes): I'M THE AWESOMEST PARTY NOMINEE WHO EVER AWESOMED. WORSHIP ME YOU LITTLE BAHSTID. WORSHIP MEEEEE!!!!

RYAN (in last minute): So, we're okay with the racism, torture, and mass deportations, but my people need your assurance that massive tax cuts for our billionaire campaign contributors as well as raising defense spending through the roof is a go.

TRUMP: Hey, I'm a billionaire! Are you doing all of this just for me?

RYAN: Ummm.....YES! That's the ticket. This tax cut is all for you, because you're uhh...Awesome, and there will be a few of our friends who are kinda awesome, just not as much as you, who will get some tax cuts too. Oh, and we'll throw in a free aircraft carrier with your name on it with the increased defense budget.

TRUMP: WE'RE GONNA MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN BABY! SEE HOW AWESOME I AM?
 
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These apologia columns are usually self-important navel-gazing, and this one is no exception, but Ross does pull one beautifully salient line:

For those of us who have long been frustrated precisely by the smallness of those differences, the narrowness of the G.O.P. policy debate, it’s a particularly staggering result: A party whose leading factions often seemed incapable of budging from 1980s-era dogma suddenly caved completely to a candidate who regards much of the conservative vision with indifference bordering on contempt.
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Yes. Yes, indeed.
 
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Rover said:
A two hour meeting??? This is the first time I've almost felt sorry for Paul Ryan:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279675-trump-ryan-signal-unity

From my sources:

TRUMP (for first 1 hour and 59 minutes): I'M THE AWESOMEST PARTY NOMINEE WHO EVER AWESOMED. WORSHIP ME YOU LITTLE BAHSTID. WORSHIP MEEEEE!!!!

RYAN (in last minute): So, we're okay with the racism, torture, and mass deportations, but my people need your assurance that massive tax cuts for our billionaire campaign contributors as well as raising defense spending through the roof is a go.

TRUMP: Hey, I'm a billionaire! Are you doing all of this just for me?

RYAN: Ummm.....YES! That's the ticket. This tax cut is all for you, because you're uhh...Awesome, and there will be a few of our friends who are kinda awesome, just not as much as you, who will get some tax cuts too. Oh, and we'll throw in a free aircraft carrier with your name on it with the increased defense budget.

TRUMP: WE'RE GONNA MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN BABY! SEE HOW AWESOME I AM?
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This is where you're wrong. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Once Trump has the nomination, he isn't going to run on "conservative" issues. He's going to run to the left of Clinton. We'll be hearing about taxing the rich, higher minimum wages, blah, blah, blah.

And that will be entertaining. Dealing with a candidate who will say anything, and with a general public that doesn't care, is extremely difficult for politicians who play by the old rules.

But it also creates a problem for the "establishment" Republicans. It's one thing to back a blowhard that everyone else in your party is backing. It's another to back him and then have him come out he next day and tell everyone that under a Trump presidency the minimum wage will be $20/hr.
 
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If handled right, this could be the start of something good.

Operating under the assumption that Sanders will win the California primary but still fall far short of amassing enough delegates to claim the Democratic nomination, the document calls for the Vermont senator to exit the race and launch an independent political group far larger than any other recent post-campaign political operations, such as those started by Howard Dean or Barack Obama.
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The idea would be to let progressives launch a concerted populist attack on Drumpf, unattached to Hillary's need/want to be associated with centrist, corporate-friendly interests.

I like the idea of opening up on Drumpf from another front.
 
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