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Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

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That's actually worse than what I would have guessed. I assumed she'd be a lot more careful given the risk of somebody recording her. I assumed she'd fellate in private, not en masse.

nobody cell phoned the speeches? The cell phone got Mitt in a candid moment. Nobody has a gotcha HRC video?
 
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nobody cell phoned the speeches? The cell phone got Mitt in a candid moment. Nobody has a gotcha HRC video?

You would think so. It's not like people couldn't see this coming from a mile away.
 
did they not exempt themselves from obamacare?

False. First, Obamacare doesn't require everyone to buy from an exchange. If your employer provided a plan, you don't have to go through an exchange. Congress had an employer provided plan, even if they didn't go through the exchange it wouldn't be an 'exemption'. It would be out of the ordinary for them to have to purchase their own insurance on an exchange.

The truth is they did away with federal health benefits for congress and their staff and required them to purchase from an exchange, so they are treated differently than other federal employees. They did the opposite of exempting themselves.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/congress-and-an-exemption-from-obamacare/

http://theweek.com/articles/453495/last-time-congress-not-exempt-from-obamacare
 
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nobody cell phoned the speeches? The cell phone got Mitt in a candid moment. Nobody has a gotcha HRC video?

She gave those speeches in 2007/2008. People tend to forget that the smartphone was in its infancy at the time, and how quickly it has advanced to being a fully-functional pocket PC.
 
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She (may have) "struck a sympathetic tone"???? What a ****ing monster.
 
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why stop at 1 of every 3?
 
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I wonder why they cut off that quote where they did, rather than give the whole thing. Must not have been enough space for it.

It's irrelevant. There may be fewer people working on Wall Street, but what does that have to do with the actual issue of the banks having too much influence in Washington?

And so what if "Ahhh, it's a joke, get it? Ahahahahahaha!" He wasn't laughing when he said it (the Bill of the 90s would have been much smoother). The Clintons are now using Republican tactics - ginning up the dismissal of an entire generation as radicals. In reality after growing up with them in power for two and a half decades, we are simply sick of their brand of multi-million dollar crony politics and doublespeak.

And that's not an endorsement of Bernie. As I pointed out earlier this weekend, the man is no saint.

Our choices at this point are:

1) A billionaire with a big mouth and a penchant for fascist rhetoric
2) A Bible-thumper
3) A former Secretary of State/Senator/FLOTUS with any-way-the-wind-blows morals
4) A hypocrite with no track record of viable/successful legislation in his career

My head hurts.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Our choices at this point are:

1) A billionaire with a big mouth and a penchant for fascist rhetoric
2) A Bible-thumper
3) A former Secretary of State/Senator/FLOTUS with any-way-the-wind-blows morals
4) A hypocrite with no track record of viable/successful legislation in his career

My head hurts.

mookie is right there with ya'
 
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The Clintons are now using Republican tactics - ginning up the dismissal of an entire generation as radicals. In reality after growing up with them in power for two and a half decades, we are simply sick of their brand of multi-million dollar crony politics and doublespeak.

And that's not an endorsement of Bernie. As I pointed out earlier this weekend, the man is no saint.

I wouldn't confuse Bernie Sanders with speaking for an entire generation. I don't know if that was Clinton's point, but it doesn't matter. Lizzy Warren is a far, far FAR more effective voice for progressive values than the probably senile Sanders. She does this by proposing concise but plausible solutions to problems, such as allowing students to pay same interest rates as banks borrowing money from Feds for example. She also is big on using existing laws and regulations to hold people's feet to the fire, not blowing up the entire system and starting anew. Look at it this way, Warren as a private citizen did more to get a piece of a law enacted (the CFPB as part of Dodd-Frank) than Sanders has in 25 years in Congress! :eek: ;)
 
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Look at it this way, Warren as a private citizen did more to get a piece of a law enacted (the CFPB as part of Dodd-Frank) than Sanders has in 25 years in Congress! :eek: ;)

One counterpoint to that claim that you make in every post.

Here are a few examples of the amendments Sanders passed by building unusual but effective coalitions:

Corporate Crime Accountability (February 1995): A Sanders amendment to the Victims Justice Act of 1995 required “offenders who are convicted of fraud and other white-collar crimes to give notice to victims and other persons in cases where there are multiple victims eligible to receive restitution.”

Saving Money, for Colleges and Taxpayers (April 1998): In an amendment to H.R. 6, the Higher Education Amendments of 1998, Sanders made a change to the law that allowed the Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education to make competitive grants available to colleges and universities that cooperated to reduce costs through joint purchases of goods and services.

Holding IRS Accountable, Protecting Pensions (July 2002): Sanders' amendment to the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act of 2003 stopped the IRS from being able to use funds that “violate current pension age discrimination laws.” Although he faced stiff GOP opposition, his amendment still succeeded along a 308 to 121 vote.

Expanding Free Health Care (November 2001): You wouldn't think Republicans would agree to an expansion of funds for community health centers, which provide some free services. But Sanders was able to win a $100 million increase in funding with an amendment.

Getting Tough On Child Labor (July 2001): A Sanders amendment to the general appropriations bill prohibited the importation of goods made with child labor.

Increasing Funding for Heating for the Poor (September 2004): Sanders won a $22 million increase for the low-income home energy assistance program and related weatherization assistance program.

Fighting Corporate Welfare and Protecting Against Nuclear Disasters (June 2005): A Sanders amendment brought together a bipartisan coalition that outnumbered a bipartisan coalition on the other side to successfully prohibit the Export-Import Bank from providing loans for nuclear projects in China.

Once Sanders made it to the Senate in 2006, his ability to use amendments to advance a progressive agenda was empowered. Here are some of the amendments he passed in the Senate:

Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters.

Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.

Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.

Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.

Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required “public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors” – an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action.

Support for Treating Autism in Military Health Care: Sanders worked with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) to pass an amendment by a vote of 66-29 ensuring that the military's TRICARE system would be able to treat autism.
 
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My 28 year old son, who is as conservative as moi, thinks Bernie is the only viable candidate.

I still think Bernie can hit HRC with enough stings to affect the fatal error which will topple her candidacy.

Kep - do you think Liz will drop a political nuke on HRC?
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Bern needs to put up an ad with people who were at these speeches and tell stories of what she said.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

One counterpoint to that claim that you make in every post.

Again why do you engage the troll? Do you have some innate desire to read him calling all progressives potheads while implying all Sanders Supporters have a homoerotic affection for him?
 
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