Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

[mookie1995]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Harvey Mudd College?

Harvard Management Corp

 

[unofan]

Without knowing directly, I would be willing to bet a fairly large sum of cash that your current coverage is considerably better than Medicare. Not trying to troll here but why would you want to take a step backwards with Bernie's proposal?

Want to make Medicare's dollars go farther with better coverage? Lower the eligibility age to let healthier and younger insured become part of the pool.

Medicare will always look bad when compared to certain health plans precisely because of its reason for existing: it ensures health care to the elderly, the least desirable pool for health insurers.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Want to make Medicare's dollars go farther with better coverage? Lower the eligibility age to let healthier and younger insured become part of the pool.

Medicare will always look bad when compared to certain health plans precisely because of its reason for existing: it ensures health care to the elderly, the least desirable pool for health insurers.

That's the idea of Single Payer: Universal Medicare, with the pool being everybody.

I suspect the cost of health care would be cut in half just by turning it into single source. The private system is the poster child of duplication and waste.

 

[rufus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

don't know the answer, but if that happens -- would it not benefit incumbents most?

No. If you have public financing of elections, with both candidates receiving equal amounts of funding, it comes down to who uses that money smarter and more effectively to get their message out. Right now, incumbents are the beneficiary of huge amounts of soft money from people who want legislation enacted that benefits them. Err, I mean, care about our democratic process.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

No. If you have public financing of elections, with both candidates receiving equal amounts of funding, it comes down to who uses that money smarter and more effectively to get their message out.

Well, hopefully it comes down to which message wins in the marketplace of ideas.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Having a liberal majority on the Supreme Court for the first time in two generations is reason enough in and of itself to support Hillary if/when she secures the nomination.

And this is why the GOP is doomed in this coming election no matter how much people like Scooby try and doomsday against it. There is no way anyone that is a Centrist all the way to the left is going to let pride or hatred of Hillary define who gets to decide the Supreme Court makeup. Anyone who lives in a battleground state will come out to vote on that issue alone. The GOP picked the wrong year to play this game especially considering the nimrods that are fighting for their nomination.

Put it this way, if there was even a splinter of a chance Minnesota went Red everyone I know that including me that are Bernie supporters would vote Hillary. Since that isnt happening I am writing in Frank Underwood

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

I'm all for taking advantage, but I don't like derp, period. And the most ardent Bernie supporters, at least those on my Facebook feed and elsewhere, have more than their fair share of derp in their rantings. I've tended leftward as I age primarily because the left has been the adult in the room to the GOP's screaming toddlers, but I also see screaming tantrums coming from the left these days. They aren't nearly close to or equivalent to the GOP's yet, but I'm not liking even that slight/modest uptick

Yeah it is getting tired...but in their defense it seems to work for the Right so why not I can easily ignore

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

No. If you have public financing of elections, with both candidates receiving equal amounts of funding, it comes down to who uses that money smarter and more effectively to get their message out. Right now, incumbents are the beneficiary of huge amounts of soft money from people who want legislation enacted that benefits them. Err, I mean, care about our democratic process.

"both"

so only two peeps?

first to post?
best looking?
incumbent and hand picked opponent?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

That's the idea of Single Payer: Universal Medicare, with the pool being everybody.

I suspect the cost of health care would be cut in half just by turning it into single source. The private system is the poster child of duplication and waste.

If you want to drive down costs you need to solve problems like this one.

http://time.com/money/2995166/why-does-mri-cost-so-much/

An MRI shouldn't cost $2600 today. It should cost $100. Why it doesn't cost that much by now is sad. Someone I knew went to the doctor and needed an MRI. They went through the whole process of doing an X-Ray they knew wouldn't work first because they knew how much the insurance company didn't want to pay for the thing that was needed because of the cost.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

I'm not on Facebook or the other pacifiers, so I can't speak to that, and I stay away from DU and those sites like the plague, but I have to say I haven't yet seen this. I've heard about "Bernie Bros" and I believe they're out there, I guess, but I've yet to see one.

So, there are no mirrors in your house?

So wouldn't you want to start with an ideal position for negotiations rather than some middle stance that will probably get pushed further right in Congress?

A fundamental difference in our opinions regarding Sanders is whether he's a negotiator or an absolutist. I think he's an absolutist and I based that on his campaign rhetoric and how he's gotten very little passed on Congress despite nearly 3 decades in DC. On this point we're just going to disagree.

Lastly I fail to see why Hillary wouldn't appoint someone liberal in every sense of the word to the SCOTUS. Purely for political purposes. Nobody in the Obama coalition is going to cry if Citizens United gets overturned, but a lot of people will if a judge she appoints upholds it. The flip side is she can hold CEO parties in the WH and take donations in large green moneybags with a $ sign on the front, and if any lefty complains can reply "yeah, but I appointed the justice who overturned Citizens United, etc etc etc". There's no counterargument. Its like when Bernouts question Clinton's Presidency. Answer them with "who appointed RBG again" and watch their eyes glaze over.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

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I suspect the cost of health care would be cut in half just by turning it into single source. The private system is the poster child of duplication and waste.

Just curious do you have anything I can look at that backs this up? Great it its true but as I've said before I wish I could see it in practice (in the US, not Sweden).

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

I have two answers to that.

1) Harvard, at least, can afford to attract poor honor students by dipping into their endowment. They do already.
2) If they can't, f-ck em. There is nothing inherent in a prestige school that benefits its students intellectually except for the quality of faculty and fellow students. If UNC winds up with better students than Duke because of free public tuition, then Duke can lower costs to compete or drop dead.

Would those students have to take real classes cause the current student body does not

 

[rufus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

"both"

so only two peeps?

first to post?
best looking?
incumbent and hand picked opponent?

mookie should stop being a dink.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

mookie should stop being a dink.

You've got a better chance of seeing God before that happens!

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

mookie should stop being a dink.

well don't blame mookie for telling you to get your head out of the sand.

you limit any discourse to 2 people where 1 has the spot and the other is trying to get the spot and forget anything new. bend over and ask for another there ruffie

 

[rufus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

No, I don't limit it to two. Just used two as an example. Brief. Concise. to the point. Like mookie should be.

BTW, love this board. You can say dink, but you can't say p r i c k. I can't dink my finger.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Just curious do you have anything I can look at that backs this up? Great it its true but as I've said before I wish I could see it in practice (in the US, not Sweden).

Not really. I do think we would be on beam with other developed countries, but I have no idea what the real savings would be and strongly suspect it is so complicated nobody else does other.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Not really. I do think we would be on beam with other developed countries, but I have no idea what the real savings would be and strongly suspect it is so complicated nobody else does other.

So I'm cool with single payer but as I said before I wish it had worked in Vermont when they tried it and that would give us a template ala Romneycare = Obamacare. Would really like a workable example closer to home.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

So I'm cool with single payer but as I said before I wish it had worked in Vermont when they tried it and that would give us a template ala Romneycare = Obamacare. Would really like a workable example closer to home.

I think we only get there through Public Option as a midpoint anyway. There will be plenty of opportunity to evolve it.

The right made a big mistake screaming about TEH COMMINISM!!111! about Obamacare, which is a Heritage-designed right wing market solution. Like always, they have no sense of proportion. This is why I suggest that we always shoot as far left as we can in our initial negotiation, since no matter what we suggest they and their media enablers are going to brand it with the same insane language.

Since they're going to screech that Dodd-Frank is Socialism, we might as well just nationalize the banks and brokerage firms.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Since they're going to screech that Dodd-Frank is Socialism, we might as well just nationalize the banks and brokerage firms.

As long as I get paid.

Do like the public option being resurrected however. No Joe Leiberman to tank it anymore.