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Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

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I'll listen to what he says. It's just funny. Like shooting a BB gun at a freight train.
 
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Also, he had as much of a chance at getting his party's nomination (even if Hillary wasn't running) as Michelle Bachmann.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I'll listen to what he says. It's just funny. Like shooting a BB gun at a freight train.
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The thing about Bernie and Liz is people invariably come away thinking, "a lot of that made sense. Why was I laughing again?"

The entire media-corporate complex will be pushing the LOLBernie meme, but the most frightening thing to the Clinton-Bush axis is he has natural constituencies in both camps (working class minorities and working class whites). And this is going to make sense to a whole helluva lot of folks.
 
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Kepler said:
Ah, proceeding well already.

First they ignore you
then they laugh at you
then they fight you
then you win
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Sanders rocks! The only guy I would consider voting for...too bad he wont survive the Clinton Machine :(
 
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Kepler said:
The thing about Bernie and Liz is people invariably come away thinking, "a lot of that made sense. Why was I laughing again?"

The entire media-corporate complex will be pushing the LOLBernie meme, but the most frightening thing to the Clinton-Bush axis is he has natural constituencies in both camps (working class minorities and working class whites). And this is going to make sense to a whole helluva lot of folks.
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Bill Maher will push him hardcore...he is a huge Sanders guy and he is no fan of Hillary.
 
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Kepler said:
The thing about Bernie and Liz is people invariably come away thinking, "a lot of that made sense. Why was I laughing again?"

The entire media-corporate complex will be pushing the LOLBernie meme, but the most frightening thing to the Clinton-Bush axis is he has natural constituencies in both camps (working class minorities and working class whites). And this is going to make sense to a whole helluva lot of folks.
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You're dead right on Lizzy Warden.

I used to just turn her off because I found what she said so ridiculous. Until I started listening.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Also, he had as much of a chance at getting his party's nomination (even if Hillary wasn't running) as Michelle Bachmann.
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Every day he talks about the rampant systemic inequality of crony capitalism and the stranglehold of the wealthy on our democracy will be a better day than if he wasn't there. Every day he forces Hillary to address those issues is a better day. Every day a conservative's head explodes when he talks about debt forgiveness for low income households paid for by increasing the estate tax on billionaires is a better day.
 
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Kepler said:
As an outsider it seems like the states are identical: one diverse liberal city and a vast, nearly empty, rural tundra. Why did they go in such different directions? I'd have thought as went one so the other. Is it just a matter of Minneapolis having a higher percentage of the state pop than Madison?
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Actually MN is a pretty amazing story. Worker pool has a foundation of a Scandanavian work ethic coupled with an excellent education system (and is frankly aided by bad weather). And it shows, income per capita is higher than any other state between the coasts...while surplus transfer payments to other states is tied for tops in the country. Corporations have a strong foundation which has led the state to regularly lead the country in Fortune 500 companies per capita...and amazingly, are always all homegrown. Its easy to underrate the role of local government here. But with above average taxes, government investments have been outstanding and have maintained and grown the state's lead. Its a testament to our government that it regularly fills CNN's top towns in America...with Mpls suburbs winning 3 times in the last few years.

My best guess is that it is a tight, cooperative partnership between citizenry, corporations and government. Each of those happen to exceptional by themselves. I don't see WI's historic position as a knock on that state. Afterall, its just very average. But Walker's administration is bound to cause considerable damage.
 
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I'm not sure Walker is anybody's first choice, so he has to win as everyone's second choice which is possible but not probable. Corporate wing has Bush as its champion. Fundies have Cruz. He basically needs to lie low and pull a Wendell Wilkie while Cruz-Bush-Paul tear into each other to the point where one side won't accept the other as the nominee.

Problem for Walker is he's going to get ripped to shreds by the Clinton machine. The general electorate isn't in favor of union busting or banning all abortion rights. Those are Walker's calling cards not to mention his state being one of the slowest to add jobs in the nation.
 
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Of the four GOP options currently on the table, Cruz is the only one who could give HRC a legitimate scare. Walker and Jebbers are stuck with the double whammy of being boring AND having baggage, and I suspect there's enough yet-to-be-revealed craziness about Paul that he'll be dropping out by New Hampshire.
 
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Rover said:
Problem for Walker is he's going to get ripped to shreds by the Clinton machine. The general electorate isn't in favor of union busting
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That's a great point -- Walker is definitely a "good matchup" for Hillary because his record allows her to stay on topics where she does very well, like her relative popularity among the lost New Deal coalition of blue collar Rust Belt whites. All Republican candidates will be espousing positions that transfer wealth from the middle class to the 1% -- that's their only reason for being -- but Walker's methods (Gilded Age economics) are more obvious and play more directly into Hillary's hands than say Cruz (destroying social security) or Jeb (imperialism, Forever War).
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
A liberal state elected him 3 times. He's got a good shot at the GOP nod and that could be enough given Hillary's propensity to screw up.
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Minnesota elected TPaw...state elections are different than than the general you know that Sancho.
 
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