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Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

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I'm not sure how this is different from 2012.

It means thanks to the collapse of campaign finance reform, Republicans have gotten the dream landscape they worked so hard for? A land where any upstanding wealthy person can choose the candidate that will kowtow to their needs the most efficiently, and single-handedly turn them into a national contender? A land so awash in purchasable candidates and Americans wealthy enough to purchase them that competing wealthy people, each wanting national policy to hew to their own vision and none other, battle each other for control of the party on the presidential debate stage?
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2012 was the watershed year for this effect. The Conservative Clown Car (CCC) didn't happen by accident -- it happened because the Establishment Money behind Romney couldn't shut out the Nutbar Money like Adelson behind Newt. In 2016 it's going to happen again, with the part of Romney played by Jeb and the CC being filled out by the various billionaires' trained monkeys (Walker, Cruz, etc). But I see no reason to expect a different outcome. The CCC will self-immolate with a new leader every few weeks (remember this? It led their polls in 2012 for a while), while Jeb calmly locks up delegates by finishing 2nd behind the Crazy of the Month in every primary.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Yeah. A comparison between our states that has been obvious here for a long time. We've been the poster child for great government driven by the Dems.
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As an outsider it seems like the states are identical: one diverse liberal city and a vast, nearly empty, rural tundra. Why did they go in such different directions? I'd have thought as went one so the other. Is it just a matter of Minneapolis having a higher percentage of the state pop than Madison?
 
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Just another liar.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) defended the use of drones on "Fox & Friends" on Monday amid the fallout of a strike in Pakistan that killed two hostages, including an American.
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Sorry, libertarians -- your white knight is just another scumbag.
 
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Kepler said:
Just another liar.



Sorry, libertarians -- your white knight is just another scumbag.
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Give me my props Kep. Told you this several years ago. I'm also a little wary of a family that made its fortune printing Klan speech for a wider audience.

Jeb = Romney? Not so sure. GOP has moved even further right since 2012, and lets be honest, the people challenging Mittens were either has-beens (Santorum, Gingrich) or never-weres (Perry, Cain). Bush has a much, much tougher field to get through as Cruz will be well funded and have the fundies banked, while Paul locks down the lunitarians and Walker makes a play for the "I'm like Bush but without the toxic last name". That article cited is correct in that big ego billionaires are going to use Republican candidates as a proxy for a d ick measuring contest which will go on and on and on. Whoever emerges from that is going to have unfavorables that rival GWB in January of 2009, then they have to turn on a dime to the general election.
 
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Rover said:
Give me my props Kep. Told you this several years ago. I'm also a little wary of a family that made its fortune printing Klan speech for a wider audience
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I've always thought that charge was emotionally overwrought and bogus. Libertarianism does attract kooks, and some of those kooks are southern white conservatives, and southern white conservatives are, among their other charming characteristics, really, really racist. But there's nothing inherently racist in libertarian messaging. The idea that it's morally uplifting to be "brave" enough to let poor people starve to death isn't racist per se, it's just the ivory tower naivete of cloistered ideologues masturbating to Murray Rothbard and proudly eschewing empirical evidence in favor of the claimed rationalist "logical necessity" of their ideas.

Libertarians are basically Scientologists. The whole enterprise is funded by con men, but most of the people imprisoned in it are actually idealistic. They're just in thrall to precepts that deaden self-criticism and project their own logical shakiness outward against the rest of the world. In other words: just a garden variety cult.

Rand has left the cult. Nobody's going to be angrier about his apostasy than they.
 
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Meanwhile, these darlings done had themselves a doggone fine weekend derping for dollars in Des Moines.
 
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Kepler said:
Meanwhile, these darlings done had themselves a doggone fine weekend derping for dollars in Des Moines.
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On that same note, a gay couple has a boycott started against them for hosting a Ted Cruz event. The one partner has taken to apologizing for their actions, of allowing Cruz to have his event at their hotel, claiming that he didn't know Cruz's stand on same-sex marriage.

They're cannibalizing their own.
 
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On that same note, a gay couple has a boycott started against them for hosting a Ted Cruz event. The one partner has taken to apologizing for their actions, of allowing Cruz to have his event at their hotel, claiming that he didn't know Cruz's stand on same-sex marriage.

They're cannibalizing their own.
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"They," huh? :rolleyes:

You'll find a Call for Solidarity with any issue like this. Everybody is supposed to link arms and not cross the picket line. It would be noteworthy if it didn't happen.

But hey, a gal can dream.
 
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Kepler said:
"They," huh? :rolleyes:

You'll find a Call for Solidarity with any issue like this. Everybody is supposed to link arms and not cross the picket line. It would be noteworthy if it didn't happen.

But hey, a gal can dream.
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Yes, they. The men have stated that the LGBT community is calling for a boycott of their hotel. The LGBT community is the "they" in this case.

If there's any wavering from the stated line, the wavering person (or company) - even if it's an indiscretion done in honest ignorance - isn't just slapped down but then held there for a time to come. Target Corp. saw this back in 2009 when it made a donation to a political organization on corporate tax policies here in MN. It turns out that organization supported the gubernetorial candidate that opposed gay marriage, something that Target didn't realize at the time of the donation. The HRC's leaders came out with flaming pitch forks to attack Target, a boycott that officially lasted over six months, though it started to lose its effect after the first, one of the biggest LGBT friendly companies in the nation - a company that has a larger than avg GLBT workforce as a % of its corporate employees. It's right up there with the banking industry.
 
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Yes, they. The men have stated that the LGBT community is calling for a boycott of their hotel. The LGBT community is the "they" in this case.

If there's any wavering from the stated line, the wavering person (or company) - even if it's an indiscretion done in honest ignorance - isn't just slapped down but then held there for a time to come. Target Corp. saw this back in 2009 when it made a donation to a political organization on corporate tax policies here in MN. It turns out that organization supported the gubernetorial candidate that opposed gay marriage, something that Target didn't realize at the time of the donation. The HRC's leaders came out with flaming pitch forks to attack Target, a boycott that officially lasted over six months, though it started to lose its effect after the first, one of the biggest LGBT friendly companies in the nation - a company that has a larger than avg GLBT workforce as a % of its corporate employees. It's right up there with the banking industry.
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Wherever you have politics there are types who call for purity purges. It never reflects on the vast majority of people who believe in the aims of a particular issue, without getting sucked into Movement Purity. It's the folks on dumb tail of the 1.8.1 rule.

And whenever it happens, opponents love to jump on it as a sign that there's a civil war going on that will doom, DOOM I say!, the movement to fracture.

And it never happens.

The bad guys have lost this one. Let it go.
 
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Kepler said:
Wherever you have politics there are types who call for purity purges. It never reflects on the vast majority of people who believe in the aims of a particular issue, without getting sucked into Movement Purity. It's the folks on dumb tail of the 1.8.1 rule.

And whenever it happens, opponents love to jump on it as a sign that there's a civil war going on that will doom, DOOM I say!, the movement to fracture.

And it never happens.

The bad guys have lost this one. Let it go.
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I'm not looking for it to fracture or for the LGBT crowd to lose their struggle for equality (quite on the contrary to that last point), I'm just greatly intrigued and entertained by how they're quick to react without giving thought as to who they're persecuting. It's just that they'd been oppressed for so long and all of a sudden they have the bugeoning quantity of goodwill on their side and they immediately go to abusing that power, to do to others, treating them in the harshest terms possible just as they'd suffered so long. So much for compassion, reflection and giving actual thought to action.
 
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I'm just greatly intrigued and entertained by how they're quick to react without giving thought as to who they're persecuting. It's just that they'd been oppressed for so long and all of a sudden they have the bugeoning quantity of goodwill on their side and they immediately go to abusing that power, to do to others, treating them in the harshest terms possible just as they'd suffered so long. So much for compassion, reflection and giving actual thought to action.
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Don't you understand it's just a few jackwagons? There will always be people who Miss The Point. Every community has them. I'll grant you, I tend to think of LGBTs as smarter than most, but I'm sure that's just a prejudice and there are morons among them as well.

It's disingenuous to oppose the intolerant reaction of a few members of a community to the broad intolerance they themselves have faced. It's in the playbook, but it's always been a lame maneuver.
 
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Kepler said:
Don't you understand it's just a few jackwagons? There will always be people who Miss The Point. Every community has them. I'll grant you, I tend to think of LGBTs as smarter than most, but I'm sure that's just a prejudice and there are morons among them as well.

It's disingenuous to oppose the intolerant reaction of a few members of a community to the broad intolerance they themselves have faced. It's in the playbook, but it's always been a lame maneuver.
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That's the thing, you say it's just a few, and maybe it is (I hope it is), but amongst those few are people that hold powerful positions within the movement. When the head of the HRC, arguably their most visible organization, partakes in that behavior, it casts a foul light upon the entire group and movement. His actions were akin to those that you so lovingly call the derps, only the stands he takes are opposed to them.

As to being smarter than than most, don't count on it. I know and work with a large number of LGBs (not any Ts that I know of, though), and I would put their IQs right in line with the population at large.
 
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St. Clown said:
As to being smarter than than most, don't count on it. I know and work with a large number of LGBs (not any Ts that I know of, though), and I would put their IQs right in line with the population at large.
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As I said, I assume so. I was kinda just poking fun at myself.
 
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BREAKING: Bernie Sanders is going to run for president. (link when available)
 
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