Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
Yes, but you do realize he lost ground yesterday to Hillary, right?
Yes, but you do realize he lost ground yesterday to Hillary, right?
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Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
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bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
You do realize that the southern primaries are over now, right? If Michigan's closer to Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Missouri, he'll claw back over the next month and have plenty of positive press and an exposed Clinton. Probably not enough to make up a 200 delegate deficit, but more possible than 24 hours ago.
You do realize that the southern primaries are over now, right? If Michigan's closer to Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Missouri, he'll claw back over the next month and have plenty of positive press and an exposed Clinton. Probably not enough to make up a 200 delegate deficit, but more possible than 24 hours ago.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Which thankfully will splinter that Democratic Party
When there is bern winning states and "the party" handing the nom to hilly.... Just sit and listen for the WHOOSH of a generation leaving the process....
BOO-WAHHAHAHAHHA. Mookie loves it when a plan comes together
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
Huh. I nailed the hot spots of Grand Rapids, East Lansing, and Detroit Metro (which all swung solidly for the known democrat), but kudos to the anemic turnout in those areas AND to the rest of the state for voting for Bernie.
As for the red side of the voters... lemme repost the Drinking Bertuzzi .gif...
Huh. I nailed the hot spots of Grand Rapids, East Lansing, and Detroit Metro (which all swung solidly for the known democrat), but kudos to the anemic turnout in those areas AND to the rest of the state for voting for Bernie.
As for the red side of the voters... lemme repost the Drinking Bertuzzi .gif...
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
You do realize that Florida and North Carolina are in the South, right? Therefore, the southern primaries are not over and two very big ones are still out there. If he gets crushed again in those places like he has in neighboring states, and he loses New York, how exactly does he make up the delegate deficit?
You do realize that Florida and North Carolina are in the South, right? Therefore, the southern primaries are not over and two very big ones are still out there. If he gets crushed again in those places like he has in neighboring states, and he loses New York, how exactly does he make up the delegate deficit?
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
Sorta how that cost the Dems the Presidency in the 2008 election?
Which thankfully will splinter that Democratic Party
When there is bern winning states and "the party" handing the nom to hilly.... Just sit and listen for the WHOOSH of a generation leaving the process....
BOO-WAHHAHAHAHHA. Mookie loves it when a plan comes together
Sorta how that cost the Dems the Presidency in the 2008 election?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
It was, and Bernie got 63% of people who thought it was a big deal. Hillary's blatant falsehood on Bernie's stance really backfired on her in a state where that is a #1 issue. God knows what she was thinking -- probably just the type of advisor groupthink that hurt her so badly in 08.
Hillary is such a lousy campaigner that I worry Bernie might actually be our more effective candidate in the fall. On the face of it centrism still likely outdraws leftism, all things being equal. But things aren't equal, and Hillary is just box office poison unless you give her a demographically friendly voter base. That aint the way a general election works.
It was, and Bernie got 63% of people who thought it was a big deal. Hillary's blatant falsehood on Bernie's stance really backfired on her in a state where that is a #1 issue. God knows what she was thinking -- probably just the type of advisor groupthink that hurt her so badly in 08.
Hillary is such a lousy campaigner that I worry Bernie might actually be our more effective candidate in the fall. On the face of it centrism still likely outdraws leftism, all things being equal. But things aren't equal, and Hillary is just box office poison unless you give her a demographically friendly voter base. That aint the way a general election works.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Sorta how that cost the Dems the Presidency in the 2008 election?
In 2008 all those supers ran from hilly.
You imply here they stay and bern peeps don't realize it.
Make up yet mind
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
Kind of. Hillary did pick up more delegates, but her losing MI is a serious problem -- that's exactly the sort of place (Rust Belty, Ohioy) that we have to take in the general. I thought she would do great there, like she did in 08, but she is just so untrustworthy and unlikable. Let's face it, if you're losing to a 126-year old Jewish socialist, you've got problems.
Hillary and Bernie are about 60/40 in real delegates. The supers will turn on a dime if there's blood in the water, and Hillary is limping, if not bleeding out.
Handsome Joe really blew his shot. He would have been a shoe in.
Kind of. Hillary did pick up more delegates, but her losing MI is a serious problem -- that's exactly the sort of place (Rust Belty, Ohioy) that we have to take in the general. I thought she would do great there, like she did in 08, but she is just so untrustworthy and unlikable. Let's face it, if you're losing to a 126-year old Jewish socialist, you've got problems.
Hillary and Bernie are about 60/40 in real delegates. The supers will turn on a dime if there's blood in the water, and Hillary is limping, if not bleeding out.
Handsome Joe really blew his shot. He would have been a shoe in.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
Forgot North Carolina, but Florida isn't a southern primary. It's got Alabama in the north, New York in the middle, and Cuba in the south.
Forgot North Carolina, but Florida isn't a southern primary. It's got Alabama in the north, New York in the middle, and Cuba in the south.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
He does, and that's the most depressing sentence uttered in American political history, nosing out "Dubya re-elected."
He does, and that's the most depressing sentence uttered in American political history, nosing out "Dubya re-elected."
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
Hilly can win all the southern states she wants with warped big delegate totals---cause she ain't winning those electoral votes come November.
Stupid democrat rationalization
They need to feel the bern already and rally behind their only shot at victory!!!
Hilly can win all the southern states she wants with warped big delegate totals---cause she ain't winning those electoral votes come November.
Stupid democrat rationalization
They need to feel the bern already and rally behind their only shot at victory!!!
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
So it's the Washington Nationals.
So it's the Washington Nationals.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
I know mookie gonna mookie, but this is silly. Hillary is about a 60% shot at winning the general; 70 against Trump and 90 against Cruz. The real question is whether Bernie exceeds those numbers.
I'm going to stick with my original assumption from last Fall: Bernie is a better candidate against Rubio. Hillary is probably a better candidate against Trump or Cruz assuming she doesn't hit an IED, which with her is a day-to-day gamble.
I know mookie gonna mookie, but this is silly. Hillary is about a 60% shot at winning the general; 70 against Trump and 90 against Cruz. The real question is whether Bernie exceeds those numbers.
I'm going to stick with my original assumption from last Fall: Bernie is a better candidate against Rubio. Hillary is probably a better candidate against Trump or Cruz assuming she doesn't hit an IED, which with her is a day-to-day gamble.
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
Not implying at all. In fact supers will largely be irrelevant. Unless Sanders makes a play down South, in FL and NC coming up next Tuesday, he's going to be down an addition 100 delegates when he wakes up on March 16th, even if he ekes out wins in OH and IL. Furthermore she'll be over 1200 delegates, closing in on the 1900 needed to claim a majority of pledged delegates. Sanders will be 300-350 delegates behind. Where does he make that up?
Kep her attack on his anti-bailout idiocy was correct. What he won on IMHO was anti-trade pacts as well as being the first person I can think of that called for Snyder to resign. Good for him, but he has as much chance of being the nominee as Kasich does. We're facing Trump in the general, not Reagan's Ghost.
Not implying at all. In fact supers will largely be irrelevant. Unless Sanders makes a play down South, in FL and NC coming up next Tuesday, he's going to be down an addition 100 delegates when he wakes up on March 16th, even if he ekes out wins in OH and IL. Furthermore she'll be over 1200 delegates, closing in on the 1900 needed to claim a majority of pledged delegates. Sanders will be 300-350 delegates behind. Where does he make that up?
Kep her attack on his anti-bailout idiocy was correct. What he won on IMHO was anti-trade pacts as well as being the first person I can think of that called for Snyder to resign. Good for him, but he has as much chance of being the nominee as Kasich does. We're facing Trump in the general, not Reagan's Ghost.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
His "anti-bailout idiocy" was targeted at Wall Street, and it's shared by about 70% of both parties. Hillary tried to obfuscate by blurring it with the auto bailout which Bernie obviously favored. She lied and the people of MI didn't buy it.
I don't think you understand just how fed up with the Masters of the Universe the vast majority of the public is. The lower class hates them with natural class antipathy, but the middle class hates them because the middle class produces people who are good at math and understand just what an arse-ripping they performed on the global economy.
The 1% may hang on this time because they control the media and the parties, but the interesting thing is they may not, and that isn't something anyone could have predicted before 2006. The only thing saving them right now is the bitter cultural divide between their enemies on the left and right, which is why those culture wars are going to be exploited more and more. If people ever wake up and join hands, your friends are going to have a bigger problem than where to stash their offshore dollars.
His "anti-bailout idiocy" was targeted at Wall Street, and it's shared by about 70% of both parties. Hillary tried to obfuscate by blurring it with the auto bailout which Bernie obviously favored. She lied and the people of MI didn't buy it.
I don't think you understand just how fed up with the Masters of the Universe the vast majority of the public is. The lower class hates them with natural class antipathy, but the middle class hates them because the middle class produces people who are good at math and understand just what an arse-ripping they performed on the global economy.
The 1% may hang on this time because they control the media and the parties, but the interesting thing is they may not, and that isn't something anyone could have predicted before 2006. The only thing saving them right now is the bitter cultural divide between their enemies on the left and right, which is why those culture wars are going to be exploited more and more. If people ever wake up and join hands, your friends are going to have a bigger problem than where to stash their offshore dollars.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
This. So much this. And if you don't think Hillary will hit at least one or two IED's before November you're crazy. The question is how bad will the damage be?
This. So much this. And if you don't think Hillary will hit at least one or two IED's before November you're crazy. The question is how bad will the damage be?
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
Kep anti-bailout is fuking ridiculous. Its not pro-Wall St, but had the govt not done that the job losses would have been horrific. Standing on principal is great. I'm sure the millions of people who would have lost their jobs would be sure to thank Sanders for his ideological purity.
The world isn't quite as black and white as you'd like it to be, and I'd prefer politicians who spend time in reality instead fantasyland, regardless of their party preference.
Kep anti-bailout is fuking ridiculous. Its not pro-Wall St, but had the govt not done that the job losses would have been horrific. Standing on principal is great. I'm sure the millions of people who would have lost their jobs would be sure to thank Sanders for his ideological purity.
The world isn't quite as black and white as you'd like it to be, and I'd prefer politicians who spend time in reality instead fantasyland, regardless of their party preference.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.
If she was running against a real candidate I would say she was toast. Running against Drumpf? I think she will eek (not by numbers per se cause she will have a nice delegate count but by luck) out a win. Even Peyton Manning found ways to win a big game every so often
The Drumpf perspective will change in the general because of who he runs against. Half the voters will ignore him being a dick to Rubio and Cruz cause half the voters hate Rubio and Cruz. (not to mention the 40% of the GOP that hate those two shrubs) When he is pulling that stuff on Hillary...well you will see 2 dozen articles each week about his sexism and overall douchbaggery. Now while that is nothing new, the fact is normally the GOP candidate would be insulated by the Echo Chamber lead by Faux...but they want nothing to do with Drumpf. They wont skewer him, but they wont help him much either. he will be on an island.
What will save Her Heinousness is that people who only cared about the GOP debate for the entertainment will be paying attention for different reasons in November and they will have a vote that matters.
If she was running against a real candidate I would say she was toast. Running against Drumpf? I think she will eek (not by numbers per se cause she will have a nice delegate count but by luck) out a win. Even Peyton Manning found ways to win a big game every so often
The Drumpf perspective will change in the general because of who he runs against. Half the voters will ignore him being a dick to Rubio and Cruz cause half the voters hate Rubio and Cruz. (not to mention the 40% of the GOP that hate those two shrubs) When he is pulling that stuff on Hillary...well you will see 2 dozen articles each week about his sexism and overall douchbaggery. Now while that is nothing new, the fact is normally the GOP candidate would be insulated by the Echo Chamber lead by Faux...but they want nothing to do with Drumpf. They wont skewer him, but they wont help him much either. he will be on an island.
What will save Her Heinousness is that people who only cared about the GOP debate for the entertainment will be paying attention for different reasons in November and they will have a vote that matters.
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