Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

With the ratings being what they are every network hosting one of these things is going to make it into the Royal Rumble

Do you mean there are still people who watch these? This is what we've come to... just turn it off.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

One thing has become clear. The Compassionate Conservative angle Kasich has taken is not going to work with this electorate. That old bait and switch where they're compassionate one minute and then not when they get to office but they still don't get enough done for the culture warriors while in office bit is over. The Culture Warriors want a true champion. Trump, Rubio, and Cruz talk the talk. But, Trump is also the real outsider who people believe can change Washington.

 

[burd]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

The Culture Warriors want a true champion. Trump, Rubio, and Cruz talk the talk. But, Trump is also the real outsider who people believe can change Washington.

I'm not convinced very many of the people casting that vote for Trump as an instrument of change even know what policies they want to change, because they have not taken the effort to understand the policy options in play.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

I'm not convinced very many of the people casting that vote for Trump as an instrument of change even know what policies they want to change, because they have not taken the effort to understand the policy options in play.

They know what they need to know about Trump. He says it over and over again.

Pro-Life
Pro-Gun
Pro Hetero Marriage
Pro Wall
Pro not letting Mulims fly in

 

[leswp1]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Morning TV- (now I am retired it is something I see if I forget to turn off the TV)- Kelly and Micheal talking about the debate. Politics is usually something they don't talk about at the beginning of the show in their schmooze segment. Kelly starts talking about how she wants her kids to be informed. They watch the caucuses and the debates as a family. She then goes off on how as a mother, not partisan, she cannot believe what she watched. She turned it off. If her kids were to behave like this they would be grounded, etc. What is the matter with these people?? Strahan then says when they started the insults he turned it off. Nothing he hadn't heard before.

WOndering a bit if the voice of reason may start to raise its head a bit. When this stuff leaks into the morning feel good show you have to wonder.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

This is incredible. Drumpf is unstoppable. He only grows larger and louder with each oncoming criticism.

Might've been wrong here. When taking shots from other candidates he's great at shooting back, but when the moderators went after him he was visibly shaken. I guess we'll just have to see if people finally realize what Drumpf has been doing, or if they'll rush to him in record numbers since the establishment went all in an attack to out him.

Apparently Drudge and Breitbart each overwhelmingly voted Trump the winner, so the fanatics are still hanging on.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

WOndering a bit if the voice of reason may start to raise its head a bit. When this stuff leaks into the morning feel good show you have to wonder.

yeah, good luck with that.

What I find amusing about the Stop Trump crowd is that there's only one viable alternative to him at this point, which is.....Calgary Ted! Little Marco needs to go back to the sandbox, and Kasich needs a time machine to go back to 1988 when Goopers like him had a prayer of winning the nomination. I appreciate the guy's honesty about winning Ohio and then making the case at a brokered convention as the compromise choice, but can you see Trump going away quietly? I sure can't. He either gets the nomination or he picks up his ball and goes home, thus ripping the GOP in two. Either choice works for me.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Just listen to that crowd. I've been saying all along this rhetoric is very reminiscent of professional wrestling. Cut a promo on the other guy, put yourself "over" with the crowd as wrestling vernacular likes to say.

It's very telling that Drumpf is good friends with Vince McMahon.

Then again, Vince is VERY much an old school old money Republican - his wife Linda lost her Congressional race in 2012 and he blames the Tea Party for poisoning the well. Dunno how he's handling this one.

Vince will do what Vince always does: Whatever is best for business.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

I'm not convinced very many of the people casting that vote for Trump as an instrument of change even know what policies they want to change, because they have not taken the effort to understand the policy options in play.

That would be a waste of time. The jokes on us. There are no policy options in play in this election.

The 2016 presidential election will come down to two candidates.

One, Trump, views this as just another reality game show, which is basically what his whole life has been. In fact, if it all ended right now he'd still be happy. The actual nuts and bolts of being POTUS don't interest him at all, and in fact if he should get elected, he'll hate that part of the job. As President he's only going to want to fly around the world, reveling in being Donald Trump, POTUS, and giving speeches. He isn't interested in actual legislation or governing. He'll leave that to others, and whatever they decide is fine, so long as it doesn't deflect attention from Donald Trump.

The other candidate, Clinton, is interested in being POTUS for two reasons. The first is the historical nature of it. First woman POTUS. Husband and wife POTUS'. And the second is the ability to further enrich herself and her husband. If they can come out of the first Clinton presidency claiming to be broke and homeless, and a few years later be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, imagine how much lining of the pockets can occur with a double presidency. Billionaires easy. Should be more than enough to lay the groundwork for the hat trick in a couple of decades with a Chelsea run.

Anybody who thinks the election will be about policy options is kidding themselves.

 

[Twitch Boy]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Vince will do what Vince always does: Whatever is best for business.

Wait till the general gets into gear and his guys are cutting promos for/against Trump and proposing to "make WWE great again."

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

That would be a waste of time. The jokes on us. There are no policy options in play in this election.

The 2016 presidential election will come down to two candidates.

One, Trump, views this as just another reality game show, which is basically what his whole life has been. In fact, if it all ended right now he'd still be happy. The actual nuts and bolts of being POTUS don't interest him at all, and in fact if he should get elected, he'll hate that part of the job. As President he's only going to want to fly around the world, reveling in being Donald Trump, POTUS, and giving speeches. He isn't interested in actual legislation or governing. He'll leave that to others, and whatever they decide is fine, so long as it doesn't deflect attention from Donald Trump.

The other candidate, Clinton, is interested in being POTUS for two reasons. The first is the historical nature of it. First woman POTUS. Husband and wife POTUS'. And the second is the ability to further enrich herself and her husband. If they can come out of the first Clinton presidency claiming to be broke and homeless, and a few years later be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, imagine how much lining of the pockets can occur with a double presidency. Billionaires easy. Should be more than enough to lay the groundwork for the hat trick in a couple of decades with a Chelsea run.

Anybody who thinks the election will be about policy options is kidding themselves.

You've been smoking dope at Sanders rallies again Hovey. President is the ultimate CEO job for Trump. True he'll be not very interested in the nuts and bolts of governing, but I seriously doubt he'll let others come up with policy for him. Like anybody who was trained at CEO school he'll decide what he wants, when he wants it, and everybody else had better heel or they're fired. This attitude will do wonders when he has to deal with Congress!

The Clintons are already rich. Using the Presidency to accumulate more wealth is Fresh Fish type stupid logic and I'm surprised you posted something so dumb. Yes the historic nature of her victory can't be discounted, but Bill Clinton ended Reaganism, and a Hillary Clinton victory completes the goal of crushing the GOP as a governing entity in its current form. If they lose 3 in a row and outvoted in 6 out of 7 elections, not only do Clinton/Obama/Clinton policies become entrenched much like New Deal policies still govern the country 80 years later AND a complete liberal takeover of the entire federal court system occur, but Republicans have to revert back to their pre-1980 selves if they hope to win the WH again. That means moderation on social issues, ending an obsession with tax cuts for the 1%, and occasionally saying no to their corporate paymasters. That would be a victory for everyone.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Here's a nice letter that was written to the President about the Affordable Care Act. Maybe all the GOP Jack Bags in Congress who vote to repeal it all the time should read it. Especially since they still to this day have NO ALTERNATIVE PLAN.

http://letterstopresidentobama.tumb...t-brent-brown-from-mosinee-wisconsin-he-never

To My President,

I sincerely hope that this reaches you, as far too often praise is hard to come by. Apologies to people who deserve it perhaps even less so.

I did not vote for you. Either time. I have voted Republican for the entirety of my life.

I proudly wore pins and planted banners displaying my Republican loyalty. I was very vocal in my opposition to you–particularly the ACA.

Before I briefly explain my story allow me to first say this: I am so very sorry. I understand written content cannot convey emotions very well–but my level of conviction has me in tears as I write this. I was so very wrong. So very very wrong.

You saved my life. I want that to sink into your ears and mind. My President, you saved my life, and I am eternally grateful.

I have a ‘pre-existing condition’ and so could never purchase health insurance. Only after the ACA came into being could I be covered. Put simply to not take up too much of your time if you are in fact taking the time to read this: I would not be alive without access to care I received due to your law.

So thank you from a dumb young man who thought he knew it all and who said things about you that he now regrets. Thank you for serving me even when I didn’t vote for you.

Thank you for being my President.

Honored to have lived under your leadership and guidance,

Brent Nathan Brown

Maybe Trump should read it. He has no plan either.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

The Clintons are already rich.

They're already rich because they sold the Presidency, and like all good southern snake oil salesmen, want to sell it again. You've already forgotten about the kickstarter campaign in 2000 to find them a place to live so they wouldn't have to sleep in the back of a VW bus?

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Pat Buchanan historically has been interesting because he brings a different point of view. Not necessarily better, just different. But the latest is more evidence that he's in reality more of the same right talking points.

The latest article laments the 'Never Trump' position as endangering the party - OK. But then it proceeds to lay blame for that. Where? Of course, its the liberals fault. And even more ridiculous the Washington Post. It appears that the entire GOP establishment has been brain washed by the liberal Washington Post. Perhaps its retirement time for Pat.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/an-establishment-in-panic/

 

[joecct]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

1) Maybe the Federal Government should not be involved in health care? Then no plan is a good plan.

2) Rover - I know you're in the tank for Mrs. Clinton, but surely having a coronation rather than a primary is not good for vetting candidates?

3) This generation wants it NOW, rather than gradual consensus change. Ramming something down the throats of the opposition may be good viscerally, but bad for acceptance. A Conservative might agree with reform, but wants acceptance then implementation, rather than implementation then acceptance.

4) Both parties have drifted towards the fringe. This is not the 1981/85 Congress and a landslide president. Things got done because both sides were willing to give a little. Nowadays, the Congress, if it is in opposituon to the POTUS, says "NO!!!". If they're both the same party, its blind obedience.

If dT wins, then we'll have a Congress as the nominal same party, but with opposite goals. It would be a rocky 4 years.

5) We need to end the gerrymander in all states. The VRA needs to be reexamined to see if it promotes the gerrymander. We need moderate candidates, not firebrands.

Anyway, this election is not anything new. We had some gawdawful presidential elections in the 1800's. Historians will study this election for years.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

They're already rich because they sold the Presidency, and like all good southern snake oil salesmen, want to sell it again. You've already forgotten about the kickstarter campaign in 2000 to find them a place to live so they wouldn't have to sleep in the back of a VW bus?

Oh give it a rest already. You sound like a lunatic. Gee whiz, the most popular living ex-President since Teddy Roosevelt is in high demand for speaking fees. Who woudda thunk it? Do us a favor and post some Drudge Report links to back this up...

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

1) Maybe the Federal Government should not be involved in health care? Then no plan is a good plan.

Then say that and stop saying you have a plan. That is a plan. Write it down, write the legislation, and pass it.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

1) Maybe the Federal Government should not be involved in health care? Then no plan is a good plan.

2) Rover - I know you're in the tank for Mrs. Clinton, but surely having a coronation rather than a primary is not good for vetting candidates?

3) This generation wants it NOW, rather than gradual consensus change. Ramming something down the throats of the opposition may be good viscerally, but bad for acceptance. A Conservative might agree with reform, but wants acceptance then implementation, rather than implementation then acceptance.

4) Both parties have drifted towards the fringe. This is not the 1981/85 Congress and a landslide president. Things got done because both sides were willing to give a little. Nowadays, the Congress, if it is in opposituon to the POTUS, says "NO!!!". If they're both the same party, its blind obedience.

If dT wins, then we'll have a Congress as the nominal same party, but with opposite goals. It would be a rocky 4 years.

5) We need to end the gerrymander in all states. The VRA needs to be reexamined to see if it promotes the gerrymander. We need moderate candidates, not firebrands.

1) Nonsensical talking point. Give us an alternative joe. Who's going to insure a 90 year old at an affordable rate if there's no Medicare? Very Trumpian of you.

2) Yes, by all means Sanders should stick around. He's given Hillary something she desperately needed, which was a theme behind her candidacy. Its now firmly "Obama's 3rd term" whether you'd like to see that or not.

3) This generation needs to vote then. What's crippled Sanders' campaign is that he's not bringing out the new voters in the amounts that he needs to overwhelm the system.

4) Beltway pundit/CNN host talk. GOP has gone insane. Dems have gone left on social issues in line with country drifting left. Lets not assign courage to Dem pols when they don't deserve it. American people dragged them left on gay marriage for example not the other way around.

5) Agreed, but the simple solution is to put drawing lines in the hands of independent commissions. Do that and perhaps you don't need as many laws stopping illegal activity such as diluting or packing people into districts for partisan gain.

 

[BassAle]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

1) Maybe the Federal Government should not be involved in health care? Then no plan is a good plan.

Maybe if that were true, at least ONE major industrial country would have no governmental involvement in health care?

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

4) Both parties have drifted towards the fringe. This is not the 1981/85 Congress and a landslide president. Things got done because both sides were willing to give a little. Nowadays, the Congress, if it is in opposituon to the POTUS, says "NO!!!". If they're both the same party, its blind obedience.

I understand the sentiment. But I don't know that the above is true. I am of the belief that the GOP has drifted right (for example, W). Note reducing spending has never really been part of the establishment right wing agenda and for traditional conservatives, that's part of the issue. But the GOP has drifted right and with it, their perspective on what is centrist. The Dems in reality have drifted towards the center since Carter. Dems these days are fairly pro business, don't do anything substantive for unions, and have no desire to mess with changing the tax structure.

I think what's happened is that this country has become less tolerant overall to a candidate with views that differ from their own...I need my exact candidate to be the guy (gal). Everybody else is a Rino. Hence Trump vs. Cruz vs. Rubio vs. Romney. The base wants one thing...the establishment another...and neither has time for anything else. On the left, it means Bernie (who is neither like Obama nor Hillary of 2008). But Dems have no problem with bonding...Hillary will have her support.