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Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
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Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
He's a former surgeon. They all think they are 100% right `100% of the time. They need that arrogance as surgeons, I guess, but keep the mf away from the WH at all costs.
He's a former surgeon. They all think they are 100% right `100% of the time. They need that arrogance as surgeons, I guess, but keep the mf away from the WH at all costs.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
Hillary has this in the bag. She just has to avoid saying anything too shrill for the next 365 days, while the GOP clown car finishes cannibalizing each other over the next 4-5 months.
Hillary has this in the bag. She just has to avoid saying anything too shrill for the next 365 days, while the GOP clown car finishes cannibalizing each other over the next 4-5 months.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
This is the story. Here's the amazing part: the story of the psych prof who fakes out his class like this is a campus urban legend I remember hearing when I was a student. This is the equivalent of Carson saying his roommate died by drinking coke after eating pop rocks.
The guy is either a compulsive liar or just bonkers.
This is the story. Here's the amazing part: the story of the psych prof who fakes out his class like this is a campus urban legend I remember hearing when I was a student. This is the equivalent of Carson saying his roommate died by drinking coke after eating pop rocks.
The guy is either a compulsive liar or just bonkers.
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
Why Hillary? Surely you can come up with someone better?
I'm not much in favor with the GOP talent show, either. But at least their pre primary slugfest is much more entertaining.
Why Hillary? Surely you can come up with someone better?
I'm not much in favor with the GOP talent show, either. But at least their pre primary slugfest is much more entertaining.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
Elizabeth Warren passed, and unlike the hagiographic caricature she gets around here, I'm not completely sold on her yet. Mostly because I'm not 100% committed to the "ALL CORPORATIONS ARE T3H DEVIL!!!!" calliope. Shocking I know, but don't forget, I was a straight-laced neo-conservative once - in a younger, less-experienced time in my life.
At this point, if the election had been held last week, I have to admit I'd have voted for Hillary (and immediately taken a shower afterward). The Hildabeast has her issues, but she's got political savvy and a Teflon facade that has frustrated her GOP opponents to no end. If not for Benghazi, her tenure as SecState would've been regarded as a modest success, even by a majority of partisan hacks. I realize this is hardly a ringing endorsement, but back around 2010, I watched an interview with Dick Cheney in which he referred to Hillary as "the smartest person in that administration". So, maybe consider that a shout-out from one 'evil genius' to another.
Elizabeth Warren passed, and unlike the hagiographic caricature she gets around here, I'm not completely sold on her yet. Mostly because I'm not 100% committed to the "ALL CORPORATIONS ARE T3H DEVIL!!!!" calliope. Shocking I know, but don't forget, I was a straight-laced neo-conservative once - in a younger, less-experienced time in my life.
At this point, if the election had been held last week, I have to admit I'd have voted for Hillary (and immediately taken a shower afterward). The Hildabeast has her issues, but she's got political savvy and a Teflon facade that has frustrated her GOP opponents to no end. If not for Benghazi, her tenure as SecState would've been regarded as a modest success, even by a majority of partisan hacks. I realize this is hardly a ringing endorsement, but back around 2010, I watched an interview with Dick Cheney in which he referred to Hillary as "the smartest person in that administration". So, maybe consider that a shout-out from one 'evil genius' to another.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
Hillary's a great candidate if you want a Democrat who advocates positions from the mid-1970s Republican party. Unfortunately it appears that the Democratic wing of the Democratic party cannot, in fact, come up with someone better.
This election has Bernie from the far left against Hillary from the center against the Republican field from the far right against Trump from the far Trump against Carson from a galaxy far, far away. It's got the full spectrum, anyway.
Hillary's a great candidate if you want a Democrat who advocates positions from the mid-1970s Republican party. Unfortunately it appears that the Democratic wing of the Democratic party cannot, in fact, come up with someone better.
This election has Bernie from the far left against Hillary from the center against the Republican field from the far right against Trump from the far Trump against Carson from a galaxy far, far away. It's got the full spectrum, anyway.
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busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
To be fair, Warren doesn't play that tune. Bernie does. Warren comes out of the middle class consumer advocacy tradition -- she speaks for the suburbanite who is worried about pollution in the water supply or huge corporate monopolies that capture and extort markets. Bernie's an actual leftist, bless his heart.
Warren doesn't move the Overton window -- her positions fit well within the established center left-to-far right spectrum that has dominated American politics since the 40's. Bernie does, reviving the American far left that has been moribund since the 30's. Bernie's doing the lord's work the way radical conservatives in the 80's and 90's expanded American political consciousness to include far right ideas and policies.
To be fair, Warren doesn't play that tune. Bernie does. Warren comes out of the middle class consumer advocacy tradition -- she speaks for the suburbanite who is worried about pollution in the water supply or huge corporate monopolies that capture and extort markets. Bernie's an actual leftist, bless his heart.
Warren doesn't move the Overton window -- her positions fit well within the established center left-to-far right spectrum that has dominated American politics since the 40's. Bernie does, reviving the American far left that has been moribund since the 30's. Bernie's doing the lord's work the way radical conservatives in the 80's and 90's expanded American political consciousness to include far right ideas and policies.
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
Somehow I never considered Nixon and Ford to be liberals! Or even centrists.
Look, I know a 75 year old doddy rumpled crank gets your glands going, but its time to give up the ghost! Maybe he'll do a magazine centerfold someday which you can purchase.
Regarding Trump, if the man speaks for his ideology, he should be the party nominee. It amazes me how think-tank influenced everybody except for him is during this race. Decrying immigration but vowing to protect Social Security and Medicare is a lot closer to where the rural white working class is than weasel Paul Ryan's ridiculous Ayn Rand proposals that everybody else has adopted running for Prez.
Hillary's a great candidate if you want a Democrat who advocates positions from the mid-1970s Republican party. Unfortunately it appears that the Democratic wing of the Democratic party cannot, in fact, come up with someone better.
This election has Bernie from the far left against Hillary from the center against the Republican field from the far right against Trump from the far Trump against Carson from a galaxy far, far away. It's got the full spectrum, anyway.
Somehow I never considered Nixon and Ford to be liberals! Or even centrists.
Look, I know a 75 year old doddy rumpled crank gets your glands going, but its time to give up the ghost! Maybe he'll do a magazine centerfold someday which you can purchase.
Regarding Trump, if the man speaks for his ideology, he should be the party nominee. It amazes me how think-tank influenced everybody except for him is during this race. Decrying immigration but vowing to protect Social Security and Medicare is a lot closer to where the rural white working class is than weasel Paul Ryan's ridiculous Ayn Rand proposals that everybody else has adopted running for Prez.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
Keep on shilling; don't stop shilling; you're gonna be a star someday...
You still haven't learned that the Hillary Entitlement Panzer goes nowhere without complete liberal support. So respect us and throw us a bone now and then or we might all wake up to President Rubio.
Somehow I never considered Nixon and Ford to be liberals! Or even centrists.
Look, I know a 75 year old doddy rumpled crank gets your glands going, but its time to give up the ghost! Maybe he'll do a magazine centerfold someday which you can purchase.
Keep on shilling; don't stop shilling; you're gonna be a star someday...
You still haven't learned that the Hillary Entitlement Panzer goes nowhere without complete liberal support. So respect us and throw us a bone now and then or we might all wake up to President Rubio.
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
Kep you Sandernistas are starting to channel Ralph Nader. 70's Republicans were 1) anti Roe vs Wade, 2) neo-conservatives, and 3) huge proponents of cutting taxes on the rich. Saying Hillary represents what the GOP was 40 years ago is stark raving stupid. There's this myth about mostly pushed by Reagan apostles about how he single handedly changed the trajectory of the country from arch liberalism to arch conservatism in late 1980. Of course that's nonsense. The GOP started its march to the right with Goldwater and Nixon a decade earlier (Southern Strategy, Supply Side Economics, etc). Show me where Hillary wants to outlaw abortion rights, cut taxes on the 1% and start a ground war in Syria.
Keep on shilling; don't stop shilling; you're gonna be a star someday...
You still haven't learned that the Hillary Entitlement Panzer goes nowhere without complete liberal support. So respect us and throw us a bone now and then or we might all wake up to President Rubio.
Kep you Sandernistas are starting to channel Ralph Nader. 70's Republicans were 1) anti Roe vs Wade, 2) neo-conservatives, and 3) huge proponents of cutting taxes on the rich. Saying Hillary represents what the GOP was 40 years ago is stark raving stupid. There's this myth about mostly pushed by Reagan apostles about how he single handedly changed the trajectory of the country from arch liberalism to arch conservatism in late 1980. Of course that's nonsense. The GOP started its march to the right with Goldwater and Nixon a decade earlier (Southern Strategy, Supply Side Economics, etc). Show me where Hillary wants to outlaw abortion rights, cut taxes on the 1% and start a ground war in Syria.
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
It's interesting that you would use Hillary to describe "positions from the mid-1970's Republican party". Is this what you actually think Hillary advocates for positions or do you know this from listening to her? Obviously it's been awhile since you have listened to her campaign because this isn't the same old Hillary of the years past. She speaks on many policies with a strict progressive stance and means it. She clearly is someone who listen, studies and understands the need to evolve with the changing times. Some might call it pandering, but meh, those are just her opponents and it suits them well to say that doesn't it? ... What I do know from listening to the Republican candidates speak on current issues is that they seem to be the party of yesterday, not just in what we see but what they speak of directly. Trickle down economics, pro-war, anti-immigration, anti-abortion, anti-LGBT rights, against voting rights. These are stances that were widely popular back in the 1970's and in today's political spectrum only go to alienate large segments of the voting demographic. Why alienate women, LGBT, immigrants, African Americans, Latino's (basically anyone who isn't a white male) when those are the group of people who have continuously been growing in numbers across the country? This is especially a factor in many key swing states like Virginia, Florida, Nevada and Colorado. Combine all that with the fact that those that support the Republican party are typically older and well, I don't think it needs to be mentioned the downfall with that and you have a recipe for disaster in this coming election and future presidential elections. That is unless they wake up and realize that the "Grand Old Party" of the past does not work with the current voting demographics of today.
Hillary's a great candidate if you want a Democrat who advocates positions from the mid-1970s Republican party. Unfortunately it appears that the Democratic wing of the Democratic party cannot, in fact, come up with someone better.
This election has Bernie from the far left against Hillary from the center against the Republican field from the far right against Trump from the far Trump against Carson from a galaxy far, far away. It's got the full spectrum, anyway.
It's interesting that you would use Hillary to describe "positions from the mid-1970's Republican party". Is this what you actually think Hillary advocates for positions or do you know this from listening to her? Obviously it's been awhile since you have listened to her campaign because this isn't the same old Hillary of the years past. She speaks on many policies with a strict progressive stance and means it. She clearly is someone who listen, studies and understands the need to evolve with the changing times. Some might call it pandering, but meh, those are just her opponents and it suits them well to say that doesn't it? ... What I do know from listening to the Republican candidates speak on current issues is that they seem to be the party of yesterday, not just in what we see but what they speak of directly. Trickle down economics, pro-war, anti-immigration, anti-abortion, anti-LGBT rights, against voting rights. These are stances that were widely popular back in the 1970's and in today's political spectrum only go to alienate large segments of the voting demographic. Why alienate women, LGBT, immigrants, African Americans, Latino's (basically anyone who isn't a white male) when those are the group of people who have continuously been growing in numbers across the country? This is especially a factor in many key swing states like Virginia, Florida, Nevada and Colorado. Combine all that with the fact that those that support the Republican party are typically older and well, I don't think it needs to be mentioned the downfall with that and you have a recipe for disaster in this coming election and future presidential elections. That is unless they wake up and realize that the "Grand Old Party" of the past does not work with the current voting demographics of today.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
Literally none of this is true as generalization. 1) wasn't party-specific yet -- in fact majorities in both parties were anti-abortion when the SCOTUS decision came down, as has been pointed out many times as one of its biggest flaws. It was in 1980 that Reagan's campaign team used an anti-abortion plank (Reagan himself was personally pro-choice) to pull in working class Catholics from the Democrats. 2) were for the most part still Democrats, both because they were NYC Jews and because they understood their power base would have to run through corporatist military special interests which was at that time still strongly identified with southern Democrats. 3) was only true of the National Review crowd, while Rockefeller Republicans were still staked out in Eisenhower territory on tax policy.
What you've done is retconned 70's Republicanism based on what eventually happened. When Jimmy Carter was elected he was a southern Born Again conservative pledging to restore "traditional American values." The GOP chose to heavily emphasize the "small government" rhetoric of Reagan in large part because they could not get around the right flank of Carter on what we would today call "Neoconservatism" (pro-Israel, pro-militarism). Remember, the American foreign policy assertion that threats to Middle eastern oil supply are a justifiable cause for American projection of force is called the "Carter Doctrine."
Hillary is a hawk -- a "Cold War liberal." Her social progressivism, while not at all pioneering, is acceptable, but it's not her unique selling point. That is her Thatcherite militarism, which I guess any "first woman" in a democracy has to exhibit in order to rebut the knuckledraggers who think women can't be as bloodthirsty as men.
Literally none of this is true as generalization. 1) wasn't party-specific yet -- in fact majorities in both parties were anti-abortion when the SCOTUS decision came down, as has been pointed out many times as one of its biggest flaws. It was in 1980 that Reagan's campaign team used an anti-abortion plank (Reagan himself was personally pro-choice) to pull in working class Catholics from the Democrats. 2) were for the most part still Democrats, both because they were NYC Jews and because they understood their power base would have to run through corporatist military special interests which was at that time still strongly identified with southern Democrats. 3) was only true of the National Review crowd, while Rockefeller Republicans were still staked out in Eisenhower territory on tax policy.
What you've done is retconned 70's Republicanism based on what eventually happened. When Jimmy Carter was elected he was a southern Born Again conservative pledging to restore "traditional American values." The GOP chose to heavily emphasize the "small government" rhetoric of Reagan in large part because they could not get around the right flank of Carter on what we would today call "Neoconservatism" (pro-Israel, pro-militarism). Remember, the American foreign policy assertion that threats to Middle eastern oil supply are a justifiable cause for American projection of force is called the "Carter Doctrine."
Hillary is a hawk -- a "Cold War liberal." Her social progressivism, while not at all pioneering, is acceptable, but it's not her unique selling point. That is her Thatcherite militarism, which I guess any "first woman" in a democracy has to exhibit in order to rebut the knuckledraggers who think women can't be as bloodthirsty as men.
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Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25843
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25844
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25843
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25844
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Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
And she will flip right back to her corporate masters the second she hits office. To think otherwise is completely naive...
And she will flip right back to her corporate masters the second she hits office. To think otherwise is completely naive...
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
Some points from the '76 GOP platform:
"The Republican Party opposes compulsory national health insurance. "
"Federal health programs should be consolidated into a single grant to each state, where possible, thereby allowing much greater flexibility in setting local priorities. "
"We protest the Supreme Court's intrusion into the family structure through its denial of the parents' obligation and right to guide their minor children. The Republican Party favors a continuance of the public dialogue on abortion and supports the efforts of those who seek enactment of a constitutional amendment to restore protection of the right to life for unborn children. "
"There should be considerable concern over the presence of several million illegal aliens in the country who fill jobs that otherwise would be available to American workers. We support increased efforts to deal more effectively with this problem and favor legislation prohibiting employers from knowingly hiring illegal "
"The Democrat-controlled Congress has produced a jumble of degrading, dehumanizing, wasteful, overlapping and inefficient programs failing to assist the needy poor. A systematic and complete overhaul of the welfare system should be initiated immediately.
The following goals should govern the reform of the welfare system: (1) Provide adequate living standards for the truly needy (2) End welfare fraud and prevent it in the future with emphasis on removing ineligible recipients from the welfare rolls, tightening food stamp eligibility requirements, and ending aid to illegal aliens and the voluntarily unemployed; (3) Strengthen work requirements, particularly directed at the productive involvement of able-bodied persons in useful community work projects..."
"Immediate removal of counter-productive bureaucratic red tape will eliminate hindrances to the exploration and development of hydrocarbons and other energy resources. We will accelerate development of oil shale reserves, Alaskan petroleum and the leasing of the Outer Continental Shelf, always within the context of preserving the fullest possible protection for the environment. We will reduce complexity and delays involved in siting, licensing and the regulatory procedures affecting power generation facilities and refineries.
Coal, America's most abundant energy resource, is of inestimable value to the American people. It can provide the energy needed to bridge the gap between oil and gas and nuclear and other sources of energy. The uncertainties of governmental regulation regarding the mining, transportation and use of coal must be removed and a policy established which will assure that governmental restraints"
"Our national defense effort will include the continuation of the major modernization program for our strategic missile and bomber forces, the development of a new intercontinental ballistic missile, a new missile launching submarine force and a modern bomber—the B-1—capable of penetrating the most sophisticated air defenses of the 1980's. These elements will comprise a deterrent of the first order.
We will increase our army to 16 divisions, reinforce our program of producing new tanks and other armored vehicles, and support the development of new, highly accurate precision weapons.
Our Navy, the guarantor of freedom of the seas, must have a major shipbuilding program, with an adequate balance between nuclear and non-nuclear ships. The composition of the fleet must be based on a realistic assessment of the threat we face, and must assure that no adversary will gain naval superiority.
An important modernization program for our tactical air forces is under way. We will require new fighters and interceptor aircraft for the Air Force, Navy and Marines. As a necessary component of our long-range strategy, we will produce and deploy the B-1 bomber in a timely manner, allowing us to retain air superiority.
Consistent with our total force policy, we will maintain strong reserve components.
Our investments in military research and development are of great importance to our future defense capabilities. We must not lose the vital momentum. "
" From America's grass roots to the White House we will stand united as a party behind a bold program of tax rate reductions, spending restraints, and regulatory reforms that will inject new life into the economic bloodstream of this country"
Sh !t Kep, I think you need to throw in the towel on this one. Hardly seems like the Hillary for Prez 2016 platform now does it?
A better question would be has the GOP changed ANY since the 70's? Not much according to this....
Some points from the '76 GOP platform:
"The Republican Party opposes compulsory national health insurance. "
"Federal health programs should be consolidated into a single grant to each state, where possible, thereby allowing much greater flexibility in setting local priorities. "
"We protest the Supreme Court's intrusion into the family structure through its denial of the parents' obligation and right to guide their minor children. The Republican Party favors a continuance of the public dialogue on abortion and supports the efforts of those who seek enactment of a constitutional amendment to restore protection of the right to life for unborn children. "
"There should be considerable concern over the presence of several million illegal aliens in the country who fill jobs that otherwise would be available to American workers. We support increased efforts to deal more effectively with this problem and favor legislation prohibiting employers from knowingly hiring illegal "
"The Democrat-controlled Congress has produced a jumble of degrading, dehumanizing, wasteful, overlapping and inefficient programs failing to assist the needy poor. A systematic and complete overhaul of the welfare system should be initiated immediately.
The following goals should govern the reform of the welfare system: (1) Provide adequate living standards for the truly needy (2) End welfare fraud and prevent it in the future with emphasis on removing ineligible recipients from the welfare rolls, tightening food stamp eligibility requirements, and ending aid to illegal aliens and the voluntarily unemployed; (3) Strengthen work requirements, particularly directed at the productive involvement of able-bodied persons in useful community work projects..."
"Immediate removal of counter-productive bureaucratic red tape will eliminate hindrances to the exploration and development of hydrocarbons and other energy resources. We will accelerate development of oil shale reserves, Alaskan petroleum and the leasing of the Outer Continental Shelf, always within the context of preserving the fullest possible protection for the environment. We will reduce complexity and delays involved in siting, licensing and the regulatory procedures affecting power generation facilities and refineries.
Coal, America's most abundant energy resource, is of inestimable value to the American people. It can provide the energy needed to bridge the gap between oil and gas and nuclear and other sources of energy. The uncertainties of governmental regulation regarding the mining, transportation and use of coal must be removed and a policy established which will assure that governmental restraints"
"Our national defense effort will include the continuation of the major modernization program for our strategic missile and bomber forces, the development of a new intercontinental ballistic missile, a new missile launching submarine force and a modern bomber—the B-1—capable of penetrating the most sophisticated air defenses of the 1980's. These elements will comprise a deterrent of the first order.
We will increase our army to 16 divisions, reinforce our program of producing new tanks and other armored vehicles, and support the development of new, highly accurate precision weapons.
Our Navy, the guarantor of freedom of the seas, must have a major shipbuilding program, with an adequate balance between nuclear and non-nuclear ships. The composition of the fleet must be based on a realistic assessment of the threat we face, and must assure that no adversary will gain naval superiority.
An important modernization program for our tactical air forces is under way. We will require new fighters and interceptor aircraft for the Air Force, Navy and Marines. As a necessary component of our long-range strategy, we will produce and deploy the B-1 bomber in a timely manner, allowing us to retain air superiority.
Consistent with our total force policy, we will maintain strong reserve components.
Our investments in military research and development are of great importance to our future defense capabilities. We must not lose the vital momentum. "
" From America's grass roots to the White House we will stand united as a party behind a bold program of tax rate reductions, spending restraints, and regulatory reforms that will inject new life into the economic bloodstream of this country"
Sh !t Kep, I think you need to throw in the towel on this one. Hardly seems like the Hillary for Prez 2016 platform now does it?
A better question would be has the GOP changed ANY since the 70's? Not much according to this....
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
Your arguments are always best when you speak for both sides.
I haven't had time to cherry pick my way through the platform, though doubtless I could. For that matter you'd need to Dem platform for a real comparison.
Sh !t Kep, I think you need to throw in the towel on this one. Hardly seems like the Hillary for Prez 2016 platform now does it?
Your arguments are always best when you speak for both sides.
I haven't had time to cherry pick my way through the platform, though doubtless I could. For that matter you'd need to Dem platform for a real comparison.
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
Apologies for the takedown but perhaps you can warm up to the idea of Hillary for Prez now that you realize her stances bear little resemblence to 70's Republicanism...
Your arguments are always best when you speak for both sides.
I haven't had time to cherry pick my way through the platform, though doubtless I could. For that matter you'd need to Dem platform for a real comparison.
Apologies for the takedown but perhaps you can warm up to the idea of Hillary for Prez now that you realize her stances bear little resemblence to 70's Republicanism...
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.
What's a platform?
What's a platform?
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