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Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

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Yeah there was rumors going around last night. Good thing they have a handle on this and COVID is contained or we might be in trouble...
 
Another 1.2 million first time unemployment filers.

20th straight week of 1 million +

At this point, I have to figure that new filers are people that lost their job for good and not just people who had their job "paused" like back in March/April. Does anyone track stats like that? Am I being dumb for seeing that as two different scenarios within the numbers we have seen the past 6 months?
 
I believe there is a chart of that unemployment that factors that in...dont ask me which one though.
 
At this point, I have to figure that new filers are people that lost their job for good and not just people who had their job "paused" like back in March/April. Does anyone track stats like that? Am I being dumb for seeing that as two different scenarios within the numbers we have seen the past 6 months?

It's possible they are people who got their jobs back when places reopened but then they closed again and now they are filing again.

it would be good to now how many of these filings are unique individuals.
 
Aww but then who will roll over and present like little bitches when the federal government invades an American city?
 
Another 1.2 million first time unemployment filers.

20th straight week of 1 million +

Odd. I saw a headline that something like 1.x million jobs were added. And a blurb that said something to the effect of “showing only about 30-40% of jobs lost in q2 have been hired back”
 
Yeah the Trumpers tried to pump up the jobs report when it first was leaked...but the unemployment numbers killed it. If you have 1.8 million "new" jobs but 1.2 million new people on unemployment then you really didnt create new jobs at all. In fact I think I read the 1.8 million was just based on payroll numbers released many of which were actually people just going back to their old job not new jobs created. (no idea if that is true)
 
... many of which were actually people just going back to their old job not new jobs created. (no idea if that is true)
That's how it works. They do it all the time for construction work: a new highway or building may be "hundreds of created jobs," when in reality it's just continued employment for those tradesmen.
 
Yeah I read it was a lot of that and a lot of restaurant workers going back to work...

Also lots of warnings that the financial market isnt buying into the numbers and that any sign of a reversal on the "new jobs" could trigger another fall.
 
On a related note, it will be funny in October when the Q3 GDP numbers come out and the Trump people start bragging about how they finally hit those 4-5% numbers they promised back in 2016, while completely ignoring the context.
 
So a family acquaintance happens to be a fairly high positioned manager at Target. She was telling her SIL who I know well that Target has some aggregated data sharing agreements with Shipt, and one of those data pints is tipping rate. Half of all Shipt orders placed for Target are not tipping their Shipt shoppers at all. I figured there would be under-tipping, but completely skipping the tip is not something I expected at that rate.
 
So a family acquaintance happens to be a fairly high positioned manager at Target. She was telling her SIL who I know well that Target has some aggregated data sharing agreements with Shipt, and one of those data pints is tipping rate. Half of all Shipt orders placed for Target are not tipping their Shipt shoppers at all. I figured there would be under-tipping, but completely skipping the tip is not something I expected at that rate.

As MT has posted here, people screw their food delivery drivers on tips all the time. I'm not surprised they're the same way with Shipt orders.
 
As MT has posted here, people screw their food delivery drivers on tips all the time. I'm not surprised they're the same way with Shipt orders.

Tipping is a weird thing for people.

For instance, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that someone who readily tips a pizza delivery guy turns around and fails to tip a Shipt driver. They think of the Shipt driver basically like the amazon package delivery person, or the UPS driver.

I have a friend with whom I like to go to breweries. We had a discussion about tipping. While we sat in the brewery and drank beer and ate food, we had no problem tipping the waitstaff 20% for their excellent service. But then as we were about to leave, we put in our order for cases of beer to take home (over $200 per person). Do we tip on that, and if so, how much? They simply took our order and ran our credit card. We picked up our beer at the counter on the way out. It's really not much different than a liquor store, although technically they did stack up the cases for us on their counter from the cooler, instead of me taking them from the cooler and putting them on the counter. In the end, we tipped, be we didn't tip the full 20% for the alcohol we were purchasing for home consumption.
 
Tipping on the second order you mentioned would be above and beyond. That is not something you need to tip for. (though no one would be mad if you did)

Having someone shop for you and deliver it and not tipping is a d-bag move. I cant imagine how anyone could justify that in their head.

Where I normally dont tip but have since the COVID is when I pick up food from a restaurant. (not fast food though I dont eat that much) I used to never tip on that but now I do it to help out.
 
As MT has posted here, people screw their food delivery drivers on tips all the time. I'm not surprised they're the same way with Shipt orders.

I recall her statements on this from a number of months ago, but I think of the Shipt service as something, well, more. This isn't a person picking up food from the counter and then delivering it, this a person spending up to an hour or so (on bigger orders, prime shopping time) and then going through the checkout process, packing their vehicle, and then finally getting it to my house.

Also, tangentially related to this subject...This past weekend my wife and I were at a Target store. We were going through checkout and the total came to $260. My wife took out her Circle app to get a 20% discount on something she bought. The cashier did her thing, but the system didn't respond, so she and my sister repeated the process and a few minutes later, the cashier hit a button, scanned the coupon again, and all of a sudden our total listed around $130. We asked what happened, and the cashier said that half of our order had disappeared from the order. After we asked how to go about figuring out the missing items, or just redoing the order from the start, we were told there was no need, just pay for what's there, and that'll be it. So that's what we did. Looking back, I have half a feeling that we just inadvertently stole $130 of goods from Target.
 
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