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Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

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Wells Fargo is, at least used to be, the largest purchaser of mortgages in the country. One reason I went with them instead of 3rd party. They gave the best rates and there was a pretty good chance they would have bought the mortgage anyways.
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

Wells Fargo is, at least used to be, the largest purchaser of mortgages in the country. One reason I went with them instead of 3rd party. They gave the best rates and there was a pretty good chance they would have bought the mortgage anyways.

My neighbor works for a local Chicagoland suburb bank, and even with the market rates crashing like they had been the last few months, he couldn't touch what Wells Fargo has me at. Somehow I lucked into a decent rate just before the housing market took off again around here in 2015.
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

My neighbor works for a local Chicagoland suburb bank, and even with the market rates crashing like they had been the last few months, he couldn't touch what Wells Fargo has me at. Somehow I lucked into a decent rate just before the housing market took off again around here in 2015.

I never thought I’d see the rates I did when I refinanced in 2012. Locked in at 2.75 15-year. Only one that came was US Bank at like 2.875 or 3.

Need to lock in a refi of my wife’s private student loans and we’ve secured the two lowest interest rate markets in history on our two largest investments of our lives.
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

My neighbor works for a local Chicagoland suburb bank, and even with the market rates crashing like they had been the last few months, he couldn't touch what Wells Fargo has me at. Somehow I lucked into a decent rate just before the housing market took off again around here in 2015.

I never thought I’d see the rates I did when I refinanced in 2012. Locked in at 2.75 15-year. Only one that came was US Bank at like 2.875 or 3.

Need to lock in a refi of my wife’s private student loans and we’ve secured the two lowest interest rate markets in history on our two largest investments of our lives.

Part of me almost wants to refi the house and pull all the equity out and repay her loans. The other part of me says don’t do it because who knows what happens when a hard Dem congress will take over and federalize student loans and implement forgiveness. Among other reasons why it’s probably a bad idea.
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

I never thought I’d see the rates I did when I refinanced in 2012. Locked in at 2.75 15-year. Only one that came was US Bank at like 2.875 or 3.

Need to lock in a refi of my wife’s private student loans and we’ve secured the two lowest interest rate markets in history on our two largest investments of our lives.

Part of me almost wants to refi the house and pull all the equity out and repay her loans. The other part of me says don’t do it because who knows what happens when a hard Dem congress will take over and federalize student loans and implement forgiveness. Among other reasons why it’s probably a bad idea.

Ironic, but I kinda had the same thoughts regarding the endgame of my own student debt. I dumped my $1200 stimulus check into my loans and with May being a 3 paycheck month I was planning on dumping an additional $1000 or so into it since it will all go towards principal and I currently have the means. From there, I could have the remainder paid off within a year on paper. So of course loan forgiveness is coming within 12 months of me capping off the last of my debt :p
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

Wells purchased our mortgage several years ago and luckily I've never had any issues with them. In fact when one my renter's skipped out on me without any notification, they actually offered me a 1 month reprieve without any penalty. Luckily we had money set aside already and didn't miss a payment. And doing business with them from here has been easier than I ever would have expected.
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

This amused me....

I work for a major defense company, and we just got our shareholder ballots. It includes a proposal from a group of concerned shareholders that the company should be required to produce a report "examining the actual and potential human rights impacts associated with high-risk products and services." The explanation includes a bunch of inaccurate information about our products and some scary (assuredly accurate) details about Saudi Arabia's defense activities. So they want us to sit around and brainstorm ways for the US Government and its allies to abuse their power using our products...that's gonna be a long list. I'm not sure why they'd want us to produce something that Trump would probably just use as a "to do" list anyway - make him come up with his own ideas!

The best part is that the concerned shareholders (three different Catholic charities) own a combined total of 402 shares of stock. We have 160M outstanding shares.
 
This amused me....

I work for a major defense company, and we just got our shareholder ballots. It includes a proposal from a group of concerned shareholders that the company should be required to produce a report "examining the actual and potential human rights impacts associated with high-risk products and services." The explanation includes a bunch of inaccurate information about our products and some scary (assuredly accurate) details about Saudi Arabia's defense activities. So they want us to sit around and brainstorm ways for the US Government and its allies to abuse their power using our products...that's gonna be a long list. I'm not sure why they'd want us to produce something that Trump would probably just use as a "to do" list anyway - make him come up with his own ideas!

The best part is that the concerned shareholders (three different Catholic charities) own a combined total of 402 shares of stock. We have 160M outstanding shares.

I'm the ******* who pretty much always votes my 50-100 shares directly opposite to the board's recommendations even though I know it's completely meaningless in the face of institutional investors voting their millions of shares in favor of the corporate circle jerks.
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

I'm the ******* who pretty much always votes my 50-100 shares directly opposite to the board's recommendations even though I know it's completely meaningless in the face of institutional investors voting their millions of shares in favor of the corporate circle jerks.
So you'd be voting for this proposal, then. :)
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

This amused me....

I work for a major defense company, and we just got our shareholder ballots. It includes a proposal from a group of concerned shareholders that the company should be required to produce a report "examining the actual and potential human rights impacts associated with high-risk products and services." The explanation includes a bunch of inaccurate information about our products and some scary (assuredly accurate) details about Saudi Arabia's defense activities. So they want us to sit around and brainstorm ways for the US Government and its allies to abuse their power using our products...that's gonna be a long list. I'm not sure why they'd want us to produce something that Trump would probably just use as a "to do" list anyway - make him come up with his own ideas!

The best part is that the concerned shareholders (three different Catholic charities) own a combined total of 402 shares of stock. We have 160M outstanding shares.

My company has never even had something like this come up for a vote.

I've always assumed Berkshire Hathaway could legislate all this stuff if Buffet wanted. The institutional investors control every major corporation in America AFAIK. They certainly control the evil ones (defense, finance, big tech, pharma).
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Swamp the drain <a href="https://t.co/RZ23H5Umnm">https://t.co/RZ23H5Umnm</a></p>— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) <a href="https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1261057767286214658?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

I want no time wasted by Biden's AG. Whoever it is, they'd better restock the DoJ and go after these criminals to the full extent of the law. Lock them up.
 
I want no time wasted by Biden's AG. Whoever it is, they'd better restock the DoJ and go after these criminals to the full extent of the law. Lock them up.

Here’s another

“ U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is using the $2 trillion coronavirus stabilization law to help sectors she has long championed, directing millions of federal dollars intended primarily for public schools and colleges to private and religious schools.”
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

Here’s another

“ U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is using the $2 trillion coronavirus stabilization law to help sectors she has long championed, directing millions of federal dollars intended primarily for public schools and colleges to private and religious schools.”

Start with a lawsuit; criminal charges can come after 1/20/21.
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Justice Department & state attorneys general likely to bring antitrust lawsuits against Google - Dow Jones<a href="https://t.co/jn8limUSe7">https://t.co/jn8limUSe7</a></p>— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) <a href="https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1261390148446629890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: J.C. Penney files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, becoming latest retail casualty of pandemic. <a href="https://t.co/XuyJHmTZA8">https://t.co/XuyJHmTZA8</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/1261431366488449025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Another one bites the dust.
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: J.C. Penney files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, becoming latest retail casualty of pandemic. <a href="https://t.co/XuyJHmTZA8">https://t.co/XuyJHmTZA8</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/1261431366488449025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Another one bites the dust.

But they just paid out 7-figure bonuses to their executives, so.... :mad:
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

But they just paid out 7-figure bonuses to their executives, so.... :mad:

Obviously. That's what corporations are for. Employing people and making products are distractions Wall Street has streamlined away.
 
Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

An interesting story about the Dodge Brothers on Jalopnik today.

An interesting bit from the article:
The brothers brought a lawsuit against Ford seeking $39 million to be distributed to stockholders. Ford was blindsided by the move, though he probably shouldn’t have been. Ford claimed that he had stopped paying dividends to investors because he wanted the money to reinvest in workers, new models and to build his gigantic River Rouge plant. He wanted to do all that and at the same time keep the price of the Model T incredibly low.

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To give you an idea of how intense this time period was, in 1913, the Dodge Brothers sold around 250 cars during its first year in existence. It sold 45,000 the next year, as Chrysler.com recounts. The year the brothers brought the lawsuit, Dodge was the second-largest automaker in the U.S. behind only Ford. And they were respected machines. The Dodge brand had a reputation for durability, which led to Dodge becoming the official truck of the U.S. during World War I.

Ford fought back, but the Dodges eventually won their suit and made Henry Ford look like a fool in the process. No matter what Ford the man said about investing back into his cars, the judge ruled that Ford the company existed to serve its shareholders like Dodge first and foremost. “There should be no confusion,” the judge stated in his opinion, “a business corporation is organized and carried on primarily for the profit of the stockholders.”

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The lawsuit brought by the brothers against Ford became the legal basis for the idea that companies exist primarily to generate profits for shareholders, setting the stage for the aggressive rise of the American corporation.

The link at the end of that is to another article which goes in depth into the lawsuit that formed the basis for corporations in America.

And from that second article comes this gem:
That’s a short way of saying, in reality, corporations are exactly who we think they are: entities that exist to achieve maximum profit. Nothing more.

I never knew the exact background of this case, so it was interesting to read up on this.
 
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