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Business, Economics, and Taxes 2: That's Why We Fight to Take the Means Back

Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
oh fuck off.

imagine thinking victims of malpractice are the real victims here
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Drew is reeling off prepackaged talking points created by Cato and Heritage and transcribed directly from Hate Radio. Either (1) he is not arguing in good faith, in which case don't feed him, or (2) he actually believes that corporate propaganda, in which case why bother?

Every erg of energy spent engaging with them is one fewer you have to spend doing real work to change things. Do not exhaust yourself on sea lions or lost causes. They are literally not worth your time.
 
MichVandal said:
It’s my specific situation that is getting to me. BCBS is non profit. And they want more for themselves. No idea how that adds up.

I understand why single payer could be bad, though.

Universal care where more of our money goes to health care will fix a lot, regardless of single v multi payer. Seeing a public university hospital system argue with a non profit company where the patients are the real losers just confirms that to me.
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We just had our go-round with BCBS last year. They wanted to pay us ~60% market rate, despite being a tertiary care facility with better outcomes with more complex patients.

Most insurance can die in a fire but I have a special place for BCBS and United (and a niche version of Illinois Medicaid) in hell for what they put us through to get patients evidence based care. I have a 100% rate of success arguing for outpatient care through peer to peer, which only can mean they deny care with hopes the physician is too busy to fight.
 
Kepler said:
Drew is reeling off prepackaged talking points created by Cato and Heritage and transcribed directly from Hate Radio. Either (1) he is not arguing in good faith, in which case don't feed him, or (2) he actually believes that corporate propaganda, in which case why bother?

Every erg of energy spent engaging with them is one fewer you have to spend doing real work to change things. Do not exhaust yourself on sea lions or lost causes. They are literally not worth your time.
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hey, i didnt need to call my maga aunt a fat cunt, but dammm it felt great

right now, my change is getting my own citizenship to get out. last few years have pushed me over the edge
 
shocking that Whitmer is backing the Michigan lawmakers proposal to ban chinese evs

just let flock and palantir get our data while sticking us with your shitty detroit made slop, because you dont want to innovate or adapt
 
WisconsinWildcard said:
We just had our go-round with BCBS last year. They wanted to pay us ~60% market rate, despite being a tertiary care facility with better outcomes with more complex patients.

Most insurance can die in a fire but I have a special place for BCBS and United (and a niche version of Illinois Medicaid) in hell for what they put us through to get patients evidence based care. I have a 100% rate of success arguing for outpatient care through peer to peer, which only can mean they deny care with hopes the physician is too busy to fight.
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That's an interesting detail. They really are trying to make them look like the good guys. Which isn't going to work for patients since none of them have any relationship with the insurance company. They will all side with the people helping them in person.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
shocking that Whitmer is backing the Michigan lawmakers proposal to ban chinese evs

just let flock and palantir get our data while sticking us with your shitty detroit made slop, because you dont want to innovate or adapt
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That's actually a lot more complicated than it sounds.

Some of the claims that the Chinese EV maker are making sure seem impossible. Like they claim to be able to pump 100% brand new cars out in 3 years, when the entire industry takes 5 to do that (and yes, that includes Toyota, Honda, Kia, VW, etc). And none of them are cutting corners, they are doing it as fast as they can to make the cars the quality people want. And the cost that they are selling at don't make any sense, too- again, none of the entire industry can do that. Something seems really fishy and non competitive.

This is hardly just about Detroit. But she does need to make sure that things are fair to sell. Just like any free market economist. Especially protecting the Unions.
 
MichVandal said:
That's actually a lot more complicated than it sounds.

Some of the claims that the Chinese EV maker are making sure seem impossible. Like they claim to be able to pump 100% brand new cars out in 3 years, when the entire industry takes 5 to do that (and yes, that includes Toyota, Honda, Kia, VW, etc). And none of them are cutting corners, they are doing it as fast as they can to make the cars the quality people want. And the cost that they are selling at don't make any sense, too- again, none of the entire industry can do that. Something seems really fishy and non competitive.

This is hardly just about Detroit. But she does need to make sure that things are fair to sell. Just like any free market economist. Especially protecting the Unions.
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oh i expect her to do it. I just think she sucks

one, yes, i think everyone knows the chinese are subsidizing the costs. However, I just don't care. Ford and others may have unions, but they've chosen to not embrace where the world is going. they've chosen stock buybacks many times. while continuing to pander to the orange man and his petrol buddies

as someone whose industry has been gutted by the people the state of michigan so happily voted for, boo hoo.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
oh i expect her to do it. I just think she sucks

one, yes, i think everyone knows the chinese are subsidizing the costs. However, I just don't care. Ford and others may have unions, but they've chosen to not embrace where the world is going. they've chosen stock buybacks many times. while continuing to pander to the orange man and his petrol buddies

as someone whose industry has been gutted by the people the state of michigan so happily voted for, boo hoo.
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I appreciate that you think you know that the rest of the world (not just Detroit) is wrongly not moving 100% EV like China is.

But it's not just US makers that have not totally made that move. Toyota has barely gotten into EVs and is pushing H2 as fuel instead (remember, they have been in battery hybrids as long as anyone, so going EV would be pretty easy for them). And I have read that many of the word EV requirements are being rolled back for many reasons. Some of them their local auto makers don't see the demand that we all think is happening.

I totally agree that my former managers are POS's, and are greedy as hell. And if it was JUST GM and Ford doing what you say, yea. But it's not. It's pretty much the entire industry- most of which don't do stock buy backs to give them an artificial raise.

And mind you, the auto industry is THE most competitive on in the world on a global basis. So when makers from the US, Japan, Korea, France, Italy, Germany... If what the Chinese are claiming is true, there are plenty of companies out there that would have done it way before they did.

edit- what's your beef with Whitmer? She's been on more than one list for a D VP. And the dumbshit in DC hates her guts. Don't be like him.
 
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i don't think Toyota is making the right decision, but we will find out eventually.

and you appreciate that I think I know? you're the dude who is also a healthcare delivery and finance expert, is there anything you aren't an expert on lol. have you been consulted on the hantavirus yet??

but, I am allowed to have an opinion, even if you insist I'm always wrong.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
i don't think Toyota is making the right decision, but we will find out eventually.

and you appreciate that I think I know? you're the dude who is also a healthcare delivery and finance expert, is there anything you aren't an expert on lol. have you been consulted on the hantavirus yet??

but, I am allowed to have an opinion, even if you insist I'm always wrong.
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Did I say you were wrong? Or just explain why I don't see multi payer being the best solution? And gave reasons why. I think you reasons that multi are fine and valid, too.

Yes, you are allowed to have an opinion. And I'm pointing out why it's not just a Detroit thing and asking why Whitmer is unliked. Forgive me for not wanting to see my industry die because China wants to dump cars here on their worker's dime. This isn't a US automaker issue. You have a beef with everyone in the world who makes cars. Which is fine.
 
MichVandal said:
Did I say you were wrong? Or just explain why I don't see multi payer being the best solution? And gave reasons why. I think you reasons that multi are fine and valid, too.

Yes, you are allowed to have an opinion. And I'm pointing out why it's not just a Detroit thing and asking why Whitmer is unliked. Forgive me for not wanting to see my industry die because China wants to dump cars here on their worker's dime. This isn't a US automaker issue. You have a beef with everyone in the world who makes cars. Which is fine.
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I had an issue with your little "its cute you think you know everything" bs line, cause I didnt get snippy at you when you tried to lecture me on my industry.

I don't think everyone in the world who makes cars is an issue, not by a long shot. I think the US ones are lazy bloated dinosaurs who made bad decisions, and i dont like that the workers will pay for that. the Germans are pivoting heavy now to electric.

I think the one thing we will always agree on is, the workers always get screwed. I feel the same way about other hyper local industries in other areas, too. I have no fucking sympathy for the miners or others who depend on making life worse for everyone with their roles, talking to you Iron Range Minnesotans. The world changes, time to start fucking growing with the times

and i like the healthcare debate, cause as I said, how to implement/pay should be the question, not whether or not it exists
 
Never steal anything small.

President Donald Trump’s plan to put weapons in space — pitched as a “Golden Dome for America” missile defense program — is estimated to cost $1.2 trillion over a 20-year period, according to a new analysis from the Congressional Budget Office, a far heftier sum than the initial $175 billion price tag he gave last year.
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Out: Extraterrestrials
In: SPACE WETBACKS!

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On the healthcare debate, I always figured it would be easier and less jarring to move to universal healthcare via what DGF is proposing, rather than go straight to single-payer, given what we currently have in this country. The government can still be very much involved, but they don’t have to do everything.
 
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