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Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 8: Bezos Takes Over the World

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St. Clown said:
mookie, the techs in Bangalore would fail tremendously. I work with a number of them, and they are by far inferior to American and Indians techs who've migrated to the US.
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I have heard this from every developer and software manager I have ever talked with. We judge Indian/Pakistani STEM by the people who come here. But those people are the .01% left tail. The millions (literally) who toil back home are doing meatball surgery.

We are doing the equivalent of meeting a Cal Tech grad and judging the ability of 100 University of Phoenix grads by her.
 
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and how does any of this matter to dividends?
 
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Kepler said:
I have heard this from every developer and software manager I have ever talked with. We judge Indian/Pakistani STEM by the people who come here. But those people are the .01% left tail. The millions (literally) who toil back home are doing meatball surgery.

We are doing the equivalent of meeting a Cal Tech grad and judging the ability of 100 University of Phoenix grads by her.
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During my 12 or so years of working with developers, Indian developers who come here are competent, very few of them have the talent to rise to a team leadership position within the tech departments I have experience. So far, only one has done so and he might be the best developer I've ever met. The developers we work with who are based in India, they mostly lack the dynamic thought process to turn in good code without a lot of BA support.

I have had decent BA interactions with Indians who move here and have stayed for more than 5 years. It seems to me like they come here with a very rigid mindset of sticking to the rules, but then learn to become more creative once they're here. The thought has crossed my mind, though I'm not sure how much stock I put into it, that it's an extension of growing up in a caste system and later being freed from it.
 
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Not that I'd EVER pile on mookie ;) but same issue here. Company had to insource tech support because it was a disaster overseas. All the good people have already left Bangladore so you're left with the dregs over there.

At a previous employer about 15 years ago somebody got the bright idea to outsource tech support and they flew over a bunch of people from India. They put them up all expenses paid for a couple of months and trained them on our systems, after which they went home and...promptly found other jobs! As US trained employees, they were in demand and they can chase a buck just as well as Americans. :D
 
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Thorstein Weblen, as always, FTW:

(T)he institution of a leisure class acts to make the lower class conservative by withdrawing from them as much as it may of the means of sustenance, and so reducing their consumption, and consequently their available energy, to such a point as to make them incapable of the effort required for the learning and adoption of new habits of thought. -- The Theory of the Leisure Class (1899)
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C’mon!!! It’s not like Indians can’t land a rocket on the moon or anything
 
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St. Clown said:
mookie, the techs in Bangalore would fail tremendously. I work with a number of them, and they are by far inferior to American and Indians techs who've migrated to the US.
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Yep. I can count on one hand the number of India devs I've worked with who were actually good.
 
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St. Clown said:
During my 12 or so years of working with developers, Indian developers who come here are competent, very few of them have the talent to rise to a team leadership position within the tech departments I have experience. So far, only one has done so and he might be the best developer I've ever met. The developers we work with who are based in India, they mostly lack the dynamic thought process to turn in good code without a lot of BA support.

I have had decent BA interactions with Indians who move here and have stayed for more than 5 years. It seems to me like they come here with a very rigid mindset of sticking to the rules, but then learn to become more creative once they're here. The thought has crossed my mind, though I'm not sure how much stock I put into it, that it's an extension of growing up in a caste system and later being freed from it.
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Maybe but I think a lot of it is coming to a new culture. Imagine having to navigate highly technical work and also assimilate to a new culture. Talk about a handicap.

I doubt bright Americans would thrive if they entered the Indian economy.
 
Kepler said:
Maybe but I think a lot of it is coming to a new culture. Imagine having to navigate highly technical work and also assimilate to a new culture. Talk about a handicap.

I doubt bright Americans would thrive if they entered the Indian economy.
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;)
 
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Kepler said:
Maybe but I think a lot of it is coming to a new culture. Imagine having to navigate highly technical work and also assimilate to a new culture. Talk about a handicap.

I doubt bright Americans would thrive if they entered the Indian economy.
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Language/culture barrier is an issue, to be sure, but not as big as you might think. A lot of IT workers in India go to "coding bootcamps" or ITT Tech equivalents rather than attend a proper university. The bootcamps/for-profits churn out people who know enough to be dangerous, but not enough to write production-ready code or properly interpret functional and technical requirements while considering all the consequences of their solutioning choices.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
The bootcamps/for-profits churn out people who know enough to be dangerous, but not enough to write production-ready code or properly interpret functional and technical requirements while considering all the consequences of their solutioning choices.
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^^^ this ^^^
 
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French Rage said:
^^^ this ^^^
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It's especially apparent when they get thrown into cloud platforms like Salesforce for hundreds of hours of supposedly "cheap" sys ad/dev labor, but they end up taking hours and hours just to learn the platform and rarely grasp the best practices/dos and don'ts of implementing it. So they end up doing a lot of hack work that someone else has to unravel later.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
It's especially apparent when they get thrown into cloud platforms like Salesforce for hundreds of hours of supposedly "cheap" sys ad/dev labor, but they end up taking hours and hours just to learn the platform and rarely grasp the best practices/dos and don'ts of implementing it. So they end up doing a lot of hack work that someone else has to unravel later.
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Any attempt to mess with salesforce shows high intelligence
 
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