BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

[chickod]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

Funny you bring up balls and strikes- because computers DO A BETTER JOB WITH THAT!

NO they don't. That box is "approximate." The only way it could be completely accurate is if it were situated exactly perpendicular to the plate. That center field camera (zoomed in) cannot judge the precise instant the ball crosses the plate (which, by the way, is when the determination is made - not when the ball is in the catcher's glove). I umpired high school baseball for eight years. And you're missing the point. The puck going through the net is NOT offside. That's not a judgment call - it's an equipment issue that very rarely occurs.

And if you want to take the human element out of the game, fine. Let's see what you say when a computer takes your job too.

 

[chickod]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

I for one welcome our new technological overlords.

Fine. Whatever. No point in arguing about it anymore. You'll find out...in a few years.

 

[chickod]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

Tickets purchased in November! 5.2 miles.

Sorry! I strive to be accurate (although I'm sure not as accurate as those replays)...

 

[christos1968]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

NO they don't. That box is "approximate." The only way it could be completely accurate is if it were situated exactly perpendicular to the plate. That center field camera (zoomed in) cannot judge the precise instant the ball crosses the plate (which, by the way, is when the determination is made - not when the ball is in the catcher's glove). I umpired high school baseball for eight years. And you're missing the point. The puck going through the net is NOT offside. That's not a judgment call - it's an equipment issue that very rarely occurs.

And if you want to take the human element out of the game, fine. Let's see what you say when a computer takes your job too.

If a computer did my job better than me I am all for it. Not gonna happen in my line of work so I am not worried.
The technology for the box is NOT from the center field camera- there are like 5 special cameras hung around the baselines that do that. And MLB uses the technology to "grade" the umps so even they know the technology is better than the human eye. Watch the episode- even an old anti technology curmudgeon like you MIGHT come over to our side!

 

[kbz]

So a few years ago in an NCAA tournament game some team (can't remember- maybe CC?) scored but it went through some hole in the net and like 5 minutes of action went by until the next whistle. Then they reviewed the play and counted the goal. Is that too much time gone by

2009 Air Force UVM regional final.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

Yes winning is all that matters so when you make zero adjustments and don't win tomorrow that will mean what sugarlips?..or we can just hope the goalie makes 60 saves again.

"as the Terriers’ defensive game and penalty kill units remained strong."

Read more: http://www.uscho.com/recaps/2017/03...withstand-north-dakota-barrage/#ixzz4cLi0N9aO

 

[Tater]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

if the hockey gods are paying attention BU is in a world of hurt. Go Terriers!

I think the hockey gods were actively working for BU last night!

 

[defkit]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

I'm with chickod on replay, and have been making the argument for awhile. As I've said before, limit it to direct issues related to the puck going in the net (time left on clock, kicked in, did it actually go in). The Air Force UVM goal was of this type. If an offsides play is so close that it takes 5 minutes to figure out if it was or wasn't offsides, then it couldn't have made that much of a difference in the play. Linesmen are generally very good at their jobs and seem to get it right 98% of the time.

That said, I'm glad the rule was in place last night.

 

[defkit]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

"as the Terriers’ defensive game and penalty kill units remained strong."

Read more: http://www.uscho.com/recaps/2017/03...withstand-north-dakota-barrage/#ixzz4cLi0N9aO

Well if letting your goalie make all those saves is a sign of a good PK, I guess it is strong...

In all seriousness, the PK is one thing that has gone well for the team most of the season. But last night, they played especially passive. It worked in the end, but there were some scary moments for sure.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

I'm with chickod on replay, and have been making the argument for awhile. As I've said before, limit it to direct issues related to the puck going in the net (time left on clock, kicked in, did it actually go in). The Air Force UVM goal was of this type. If an offsides play is so close that it takes 5 minutes to figure out if it was or wasn't offsides, then it couldn't have made that much of a difference in the play. Linesmen are generally very good at their jobs and seem to get it right 98% of the time.

That said, I'm glad the rule was in place last night.

if you are playing tennis and there is a great point that goes back and forth, but the ball was just out on the 4th shot and you lose the point when you hit the net on the 29th volley...... is that ok?

 

[defkit]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

The color guy on the broadcast wass painful to listen to. I don't mind Clay Matvik (sp?)as much, though he wasn't great either.
- Matvik completely missed the glass shattering. I suppose he must have been looking at his notes when it happened. He first said there was a penalty. Then he said the glass had come out. Then when he saw the replay, and was surprised that it exploded.
- They both also missed the fact that McAvoy and one other Terrier (Roberto?) were arguing the puck had gone in the net on the play just before the GWG when Roberto made the play. So they show a bunch of other things, and then "oh, the refs are looking at the play". Then when they saw the replay, they both got lumps in their throat (seeing the puck had clearly gone over the line). But no attempt to determine if it was before or after the whistle. They both seemed relieved to be able to give an explanation as to why BU was not going to win the game on a replay.
- Enough with the NHL draft picks already. Keller's pass to Bobo was a nice play, but my god, the comments about it were over the top. And just all the repetition of all the talent.
- As someone else pointed out, not one mention of Roberto's great kick up the ice to Harper on the JFK goal. That was a phenomenal play.
- In general, there were hardly any replays in the first period, other than goals. It got a little better as the game went on. I know that's not their fault, but it was frustrating to watch.
- Hardly any mention of the growing discrepancy in shots on goal until Oettinger approached 50 saves. I mean, THAT was the story - BU with a 2 goal lead despite being outshot so badly. But no, no mention of the actual numbers.
- The story line they jumped on was in my opinion overstated - that the shattering glass break turned the tide. There was no tide in BU's favor, other tan the scoreboard. North Dakota was already winning all the battles when the glass shattered. They just didn't score their goals until after the fact.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

love that harper got the 2nd assist on the gwg scored by..... charlie.

what was it you think.... 15 seconds after patrick last touched the puck?

 

[defkit]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

if you are playing tennis and there is a great point that goes back and forth, but the ball was just out on the 4th shot and you lose the point when you hit the net on the 29th volley...... is that ok?

That is a tough call...but I think I would say yes (if there was such a rule). I mean the ball being out ends the point (sort of the equivalent of the goal being scored). But I would never want that rule in place. I do like the system they have in place now, when they are playing on courts that have that replay system. It is quick, it's up to the player to challenge. And perhaps most important, if there is an egregious missed call of a ball being out, the chair umpire can overrule.

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

Disturbing that over 30 games in no line is set from game to game
Only sure thing is Cloonan remains third line center

Sorry this is a day late, I was busy watching hockey. I hate to burst your bubble, but Cloonan has only played 23 of 33 games as the third line center.

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

Sean, do you keep blocked shots stats? Hickey had 17!!! of them today. That is insane. The best I could find in terms of records is an NHL record of 15 in one game.

No, blocked shots aren't recorded on the game summaries/game sheets I use as the sources of the information I enter into my database.

Sean

 

[Tater]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

Sean, do you keep blocked shots stats? Hickey had 17!!! of them today. That is insane. The best I could find in terms of records is an NHL record of 15 in one game.

The players' reaction at the post game presser when told of Hickey's 17 blocked shots was hilarious. Go to 3:55 of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6IqbYgehrc

The number of posts in this thread exploded yesterday.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

I'm with chickod on replay, and have been making the argument for awhile. As I've said before, limit it to direct issues related to the puck going in the net (time left on clock, kicked in, did it actually go in). The Air Force UVM goal was of this type. If an offsides play is so close that it takes 5 minutes to figure out if it was or wasn't offsides, then it couldn't have made that much of a difference in the play. Linesmen are generally very good at their jobs and seem to get it right 98% of the time.

That said, I'm glad the rule was in place last night.

The easy way to streamline offsides reviews (only applicable when a team scores on THAT zone entry) is to PUT CAMERAS ON THE BLUE LINES. That review would've taken ~60 seconds last night if there were cameras positioned specifically above the blue lines at an angle that the linesman would have access to. It wasn't until they found that long shot view camera, not designed to capture that kind of play, that showed the UND player was offside. The length was because of the lack of camera angle, not that it was a difficult call to make.

You're right most officials do a great job and have an incredibly difficult job to do. This linesman had to jump up onto the boards on that rush AND still be able to make that call. It's not fair to that linesman, or any official, to HAVE to be 100% right in all cases when they have so many things (literally) coming at them at once. The point of the replay is to allow that official to go back and make sure they got the call right, especially on plays where a team scores the most consequential goal of their season. Replay should be used as an opportunity for an official to make sure they got the play right on the game's most significant plays, and only those plays, so that their final evaluation doesn't have to be in real time when human error is 100% understandable and expected. We're not reviewing the whole game, only scoring plays and to assess major penalties. Very, very select circumstances.

 

[chickod]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

I'm just watching how effortless and efficient the Lowell breakout is. So I guess that means they are "more talented" than BU, right?

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

I'm just watching how effortless and efficient the Lowell breakout is. So I guess that means they are "more talented" than BU, right?

Yes, Lowell's a great team. But it also means Cornell isn't nearly as good as North Dakota and they're playing in front of 6,000 empty seats instead of 6,000 rabid Sioux fans.

 

[chickod]

The color guy on the broadcast wass painful to listen to. I don't mind Clay Matvik (sp?)as much, though he wasn't great either.
- Matvik completely missed the glass shattering. I suppose he must have been looking at his notes when it happened. He first said there was a penalty. Then he said the glass had come out. Then when he saw the replay, and was surprised that it exploded.
- They both also missed the fact that McAvoy and one other Terrier (Roberto?) were arguing the puck had gone in the net on the play just before the GWG when Roberto made the play. So they show a bunch of other things, and then "oh, the refs are looking at the play". Then when they saw the replay, they both got lumps in their throat (seeing the puck had clearly gone over the line). But no attempt to determine if it was before or after the whistle. They both seemed relieved to be able to give an explanation as to why BU was not going to win the game on a replay.
- Enough with the NHL draft picks already. Keller's pass to Bobo was a nice play, but my god, the comments about it were over the top. And just all the repetition of all the talent.
- As someone else pointed out, not one mention of Roberto's great kick up the ice to Harper on the JFK goal. That was a phenomenal play.
- In general, there were hardly any replays in the first period, other than goals. It got a little better as the game went on. I know that's not their fault, but it was frustrating to watch.
- Hardly any mention of the growing discrepancy in shots on goal until Oettinger approached 50 saves. I mean, THAT was the story - BU with a 2 goal lead despite being outshot so badly. But no, no mention of the actual numbers.
- The story line they jumped on was in my opinion overstated - that the shattering glass break turned the tide. There was no tide in BU's favor, other tan the scoreboard. North Dakota was already winning all the battles when the glass shattered. They just didn't score their goals until after the fact.

Yup. One of the things you have to put up with when you travel. You get the western announcers in the West and vice-versa. As I said during the game, in the old days you could turn down the volume and listen to the radio broadcast, but now because of the satellite delay you can't do that because they've not synced.